Chevy Diesel

Submitted: Monday, Aug 08, 2011 at 20:50
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I know some of you out there have a 6.5 Chevy Diesel. I am after some critical information about the pulling power of these engines. The reason i am asking is that I find the Chev (N/A) really struggles to pull 1.5 tons up a hill. On the flat its not too bad, and can overtake with the load. Even around town pulling a load its quick off the mark, but as soon as it sees a hill it just wants to die and i have to start working the gears and revving high. Similar to what i had to do with my old 2.8 Nissan turbo!
I am hoping that someone can give me some constructive comments and or some advise on how to make it pull loads up a hill!

thanks,

John
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Reply By: Dennis Ellery - Monday, Aug 08, 2011 at 21:22

Monday, Aug 08, 2011 at 21:22
It should eat 1.5 tonnes up a hill.
Maybe its a gearing problem.
I met a guy a couple of years ago who had one fitted to a Toyota 100 series.
He said it had to get its diffs changed to match the new chev motor.

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Follow Up By: Member - Desert Storm (QLD) - Monday, Aug 08, 2011 at 21:32

Monday, Aug 08, 2011 at 21:32
thanks for that Dennis, but i have already gone down that road and when i told them that it does 2300 rpm at 100kph, they said that i have the correct diffs fitted.

John
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Follow Up By: GoneTroppo Member (FNQ) - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 14:33

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 14:33
John, whilst I know little about Chev diesels I'd say it seems awfully high.
Specs show max torque is at 2000rpm

My Ford 7.3 only does 1850 @ 100k

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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 14:39

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 14:39
2300rpm for 100kph ? That is a gearing problem or even somthing as simple as incorrect tire size.
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Follow Up By: Member - Desert Storm (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 15:06

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 15:06
Interesting point Alloy. It came fitted with 17" wheels.
John
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 15:45

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 15:45
Unless you are measuring your speed by GPS or the speedo has been changed - irrespective of tyre size the speed indicated on the speedo will remain the same - true speed will change of course.

Garry
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Follow Up By: GoneTroppo Member (FNQ) - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 16:50

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 16:50
Good point Garry. He could be doing 150 and not know it :-)
No wonder it needs changing down

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Follow Up By: garrycol - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 17:33

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 17:33
Nice looking truck - I learnt to drive on one of them 40 years ago. My dad had one as a work truck - same colour as yours.
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 17:37

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 17:37
GoneTroppo,

The 6.5l diesel does have it's max torque at 1800rpm but it has it's best fuel consumption at 2200 to 2300 revs.

Mine sits on close to 2300 at 100kph and that from the gps. I don't know what is wrong with his fuel system but it definatey has a problem. I find that I tend to change back gears, not because of the lack of lugging torque but because I don't want to destroy the drivetrain.
Have a good one
RA.
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Follow Up By: GoneTroppo Member (FNQ) - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 18:30

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 18:30
Thanks Garry, I enjoy driving the old girl when ever I get the chance. Only trouble is that it takes ages to go anywhere because whenever you stop anywhere everyone comes out to reminisce about the one they had etc etc.

Funny thing is that you get that much more so than you do with a car of that 50's 60' era.

Rockape I totally accept what you say, it just seems a lot of revs for the type of motor. As I said I don't know much about them, was just generalizing. (more of a small block chev man myself)

Out of curiosity at what revs does it run out of "go"

Cheers
Chris
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 19:35

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 19:35
Chris,
mine runs out of puff at about 3900 revs, I would love a powerstar 7.3 as they seem to be a great engine.

RA.
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Reply By: Member - Joe n Mel n kids (FNQ - Monday, Aug 08, 2011 at 23:53

Monday, Aug 08, 2011 at 23:53
i dont know how the fuel injection system works on them but i would be looking at fuel delivery to the pump, it may well be to restrictive under load and loose flow as power needs increase, quite a common problem on "conversions" again i dont know if yours is but i am guessing, quick off the mark and a gradual loss in pulling power all adds up to restricted fuel, lots of things to check also so good luck on it eh..
Cheers
Joe
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Follow Up By: Member - Desert Storm (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 15:07

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 15:07
Thanks Joe, I have had the fuel pressure tested at the filter after the pump, and it shoes 9 psi. i believe this is good.
John
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Reply By: Uncle-Laurie - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 05:37

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 05:37
Roachie is the man to talk to about the 6.5 engine, but sadly he is another person who has gone to other fourms. He may drop in here from time to time.
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Reply By: Rockape - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 05:55

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 05:55
John,
there is something wrong with the engine. The strong point with these engines is they will pull all day. Maybe your injectors or pump, I am sure your air cleaner element would be clean

Had mine dynoed and it puts out around 430 nm of torque and pulls my van easily up hills. If you get onto the 4wd monthly forum there is a gentleman called Les Addison and he knows these engines backwards.

Have a good one.
RA.
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Reply By: Member - Michael and Chris (QL - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 06:13

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 06:13
John,
Need more information. Has it always done this? Does it blow smoke and if so what colour and how much? In my opinion all diesel engines need a turbo, especially the older technology ones. In a recent thread by Bucky (88278) showed that even a experienced person may get caught out by a previously unknown filter. Also worth checking out the air intake. Good luck Mick
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Follow Up By: Member - Desert Storm (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 15:11

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 15:11
gday mick, and thanks for that. the colour of the smoke is black. It was recommended that i install a turbo on it, but after paying 60K for it the last thing i want to do is spend more money on it which seems to be what i am doing at the moment with all the troubleshooting! Nothing is ever bloody perfect.
and yes it has always done this.
John
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Follow Up By: Member - Michael and Chris (QL - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 19:17

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 19:17
Hi John,
sounds like a air/fuel problem. Too much fuel, not enough air. I would be looking at the air intake. Start at the cheapest remedy first. Good luck, Mick
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Reply By: Neil & Pauline - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 13:34

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 13:34
Just found out with mine that the "air temperature sensor" had failed. Was always drawing hot air. Big difference now it is changed.

Neil
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Follow Up By: Member - Desert Storm (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 15:12

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 15:12
Neil,

how would i find out if the air sensor has failed, and where is it?

John
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Follow Up By: Neil & Pauline - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 17:37

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 17:37
Had a computer connected and it gives all the diagnosis required. I am not sure where the sensor is but not difficult to fit if you are a contortionist I was told. Obviously I never fitted the unit, just took somewhere to see why fuel consumption had increased and power reduced. All is better now. Sorry can't be of more help.

Neil
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Reply By: Rockape - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 17:42

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 17:42
John,
what year is the engine and do you have a workshop manual. If you don't I will look mine up tomorrow and see if there is some trouble shooting pointers on lack of pulling power.

RA.
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Follow Up By: Member - Desert Storm (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 21:45

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 21:45
RA,
yes i do have a manual, and thank you very much for reminding me of the troublshooting pages! Yes it does seem to point to air intake.

thanks,

John
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Reply By: Ozhumvee - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 18:38

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 18:38
No computer on a 6.5NA Chev V8 diesel, it sounds like you have a mismatch on the pump and injectors if gearing etc are ok
They are made to be together in a "set", inj pump, lines (different ID's) and injectors should all match or problems will result.
I just emailed my pump and injector numbers to a diesel place in the US and they built me a new set to match. Pump was approx $US400 and a full set of injectors, gaskets and return lines cost $US160.
As Rockape said the sweet spot for economy is in the 2200-2300 rpm range where the torque and power curves meet.
Max power as has been stated is around the 1800 rpm mark.
Also make sure that intake and exhaust are not restrictive, my Humvee runs a huge Donaldson aircleaner connected to the engine by 4.5" hoses, exhaust is headers into a 3" system.
My Humvee only has a 6.2 but basically the same engine, plus I've got a 4 speed auto and portal hubs which all create their own losses, never mind the total lack of aerodynamics.
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Follow Up By: Member - Desert Storm (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 21:14

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 21:14
Humvee,
interesting point. my exhaust is a 2" out of the block, then goes to a 3". my intake hose is not a 4.5", but a little less. i dont know the exact size, but definately not 4.5".
John
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Follow Up By: Ozhumvee - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 21:43

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 21:43
In the standard config in the Humvee the headers are stainless steel from each exhaust port to the dump pipe which is about three inch into the exhaust from either bank which then feeds into a short (3m max) 3" system with a dirty big straight through muffler, not much restriction in that.
One of the H1 owners tried a 4" dual exhaust but lost a lot of torque so went back to the standard config.
The Humvee intake consists of about 300mm of 4.5" into the aircleaner and then about 500mm of 4.5 into the intake manifold.
The comment about fuel supply in the other post is valid, we find that the standard mechanical lift pump is fine as long as no restriction is introduced in the fuel system. All the fuel plumbing on the humvee is 3/8, anything smaller throttles the engine, I tried to fit a water sedimenter between the tank and the standard fuel filter and the engine then wouldn't rev and was well down on power despite me fitting 1/2" hoses in and out of the sedimenter. I've often wondered whether the standard plumbing in nissans and toyotas was up to the job when they have Chev's fitted.
Also pay attention to those little rubber fuel return lines between the injectors, any leaks or restrictions will also nobble the engine. In fact if you disconnect one of them (let it run into a container) the engine won't even run!
I had a local with a 6.5 in an 80 series that was running a big pancake type aircleaner from a big chev petrol engine and it also restricted the engine, those big diesels want lots of air! Easiast way to check whether the intake system is restrictive is take it for a spin without it or the aircleaner. Just make sure nothing can get sucked in!!
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Reply By: den57 - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 19:23

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 19:23
Hi John, Your fuel pressure may be fine but can it maintain the pressure as well as flow. If there is a restriction then you will get that pressure down low in revs but when the engine is working hard and requires more fuel, the primary pump may not be able to keep up the pressure due to a restriction.
Best of luck with the problem.
Den
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Reply By: Fishing Barb - Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 20:38

Tuesday, Aug 09, 2011 at 20:38
john give linsay of linquip ingympie a call he has been fitting them for years good luck darwin dave
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