Bad run with Mickey Thompson Tyres (FCIIs)
Submitted: Wednesday, Aug 10, 2011 at 08:14
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Member - Geoff M (VIC)
This year I have had my worst run with tyres on a trip! I had a total of three flats and one tyre 'delamination' in the
Kimberley area. Other trips in the same area/s with different tyre brands yielded none or only one
puncture.
The tyres were Mickey Thompson FCII's that were just over three years old with plenty of tread left on them. I chose these tyres based on good reports, tread pattern (mix between AT and MT), and reputation.
Well their reputation is now shot with me. I have never experienced or heard of a passenger tyre delaminating before.
I have approached the tyre distributor who had commented it was due to low tyre pressures and was not interested. The delamination occurred on a bitumen road in warm conditions (about 30C) while travelling about 100km/hr with the tyre at 38 PSI, and did cause a little secondary damage to the vehicle.
Time to change tyre brands!
Cheers, Geoff
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Reply By: Rod W - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2011 at 09:14
Wednesday, Aug 10, 2011 at 09:14
I'm currently on a set of FC11's and I won't be buying them again cause they are too noisy.
I've a BFG de-laminate so it can happen to any tyre.
In regards to your tyre pressure, it may have been low. Did you
check the pressure when cold and then recheck after an 1 hour of running. If any more then 4psi then you need to adjust.
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Follow Up By: Rod W - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2011 at 09:18
Wednesday, Aug 10, 2011 at 09:18
That should read "I've had a BFG de-laminate...."
Why dosen't this site have a post edit button.
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Follow Up By: Member - Geoff M (VIC) - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2011 at 09:52
Wednesday, Aug 10, 2011 at 09:52
Hi Rod,
Yes, I checked the pressure cold and actually had a tyre pressure monitor on it as
well. I believe the pressure was fine in the tyre.
Cheers, Geoff
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Reply By: Shaker - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2011 at 09:57
Wednesday, Aug 10, 2011 at 09:57
Aren't Mickey Thompson made by Coopers? If so ... enough said!
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Follow Up By: Rod W - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2011 at 10:19
Wednesday, Aug 10, 2011 at 10:19
Nup! its the other way around.
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Reply By: Mick O - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:07
Wednesday, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:07
Geoff,
The
Pilbara and
Kimberley are notorious area on tyres but I’m surprised to hear of your issues. I ran the FCII’s on the Patrol on two extended desert trips. The vehicle was very heavily laden and I was running at low pressures for much of the trip (but not at high speeds). I was impressed with the tyre overall but disappointed about sidewall strength when in off road situations.
The tyre you have the photo of seems to have a fairly worn tread pattern. How many km were on it? I’d be interested to know what sort of pressures you were running at the time. Was the vehicle
well loaded (heavy)? 38psi hot, if a loaded vehicle may mean about 29-31 cold which is certainly to low for bitumen IMHO. Was the offending tyre on the rear?
One thing I did notice with the FC’s were that they are a very square edged tyre. Like the Cooper they don’t have a rounded shoulder. I have lost tread blocks from Coopers before on
Kimberley roads. Is it possible that damage may have been done on the dirt roads that led to a delamination event on the bitumen? A good sideways gash through the upper edge of the tyre casing either inside or outside may lead to that (I’m no expert though).
Having destroyed most types of tyres on my travels, I’ve mainly done so through sidewall damage from stakes or striking hidden obstacles like rocks. Never had a delamination. I’d say it wasn’t a very nice experience at 100 kph.
If you were looking for a muddie, have a look at the Toyo Open Country MT.
Sorry to hear of your misfortune.
Mick
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Follow Up By: Member - Geoff M (VIC) - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2011 at 12:07
Wednesday, Aug 10, 2011 at 12:07
Hi Mick,
Thanks for your reply and comments. These tyres had done approximately 40,000kms but still had a reasonable amount of tread on them. Were close to the end of their life, but never expected the number of flats or the delamination issue. In hindsight - should have put new tyres on for the trip.
One advantage - got good at changing tyres by the end of the trip!
Cheers, Geoff
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Follow Up By: Mick O - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2011 at 14:28
Wednesday, Aug 10, 2011 at 14:28
Mate when you start a trip with a hundred plugs and finish with 3 (two of which were recycled) you know you're either travelling through hard country or you've got bleep tyres (or a combo of both) lol. All part of the costs of doing business for we who travel the wide brown land. Expensive as they are, tyres are almost a consumable these days. I slashed open one of my Toyo's on the Anne Beadell back in April and almost bled myself knowing how much they cost to replace. As is was a long verticle gash, I'm going to send it to Mick Hutton in
Adelaide to see what magic he can work with it.
Any idea what tyre you'll look at next?
Cheers Mick
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Follow Up By: Member - Geoff M (VIC) - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2011 at 14:56
Wednesday, Aug 10, 2011 at 14:56
Hi Mick,
I hear what you're saying - the tracks I was traversing when I had the flats was pretty easy and I have travelled them before so I was putting the blame on the tyres. I was also monitoring the pressure/temperature which was fine at the time.
I am considering the Bridgestone Dueller 694LT - my brother-in-law who is a mechanic recommended them, and one of the stations on the
Gibb River Road recommended and supplied one to replace one of the failed FCII's (flat was unrepairable). So I'll probably give these a go - hopefully get a bit longer run than the FCII's. Have ran BFG's MT before and been happy, but the high price is bit offputting. If the duellers don't work out then I'll probably go back the the BFG's.
What do you recommend?
Cheers, Geoff
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Follow Up By: Mick O - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2011 at 17:37
Wednesday, Aug 10, 2011 at 17:37
I've come full circle Geoff. I'm on the Toyo Open Country MT but at near $500 a pop these days, their an expensive choice. They are suited to my sort of travel though and they cope with a load real
well. I tend to look more at sidewall strength these days as
well as load carrying capacity
I've heard good things about the wranglers (silent armour) and the pirelli Scorpion I think it is but they're an A/T. Others rave about the Maxxi's as
well as a cheaper alternative. Load carrying capacity will probably be a big factor for you as
well.
I'd be loath to you myself.
Cheers Mick
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Reply By: Member - Barry B (WA) - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:11
Wednesday, Aug 10, 2011 at 11:11
Good morning,any plugs or patches ? Barry
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Follow Up By: Member - Geoff M (VIC) - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2011 at 12:08
Wednesday, Aug 10, 2011 at 12:08
Hi Barry,
One patch on the tyre, no plugs.
Cheers, Geoff
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Reply By: Travis22 - Wednesday, Aug 10, 2011 at 16:43
Wednesday, Aug 10, 2011 at 16:43
I think its fair to say, there are horror stories surrounding all brands of tire and these days its all much of a muchness.
There are so so so many variables that impact tire wear again i really dont think any one tire is that much better then another provided they are
well maintained.
With that i think pressures (and
well driving style) are the key to tire life, and a delaminated tire like above... I too would have guess that it was cooked - driven to quickly at low pressure.
Perhaps not on 'this' trip but some other time in its life... or if it has suffered a previous flat, what happened back then - did it slowly go down meaning you could have unknowingly driven it while it was low on pressure causing internal damage etc?
FWIW, I think BFG's are the best :)
Current MT KM2's have done over 50,000km with around 50-60% left on all corners. Have done 15,000km
Kimberley trip, 5000km Strz trip and easily 20-30 trips in the highcountry on them so far. No punctures, no chips or cuts...
I believe they have lasted because i drive 'like a girl' and always monitor pressures and alter to suit. Generally speaking, 44PSI cold on the blacktop, 28PSI in gravel / dirt, 22PSI when things start getting rough, and lower if needed ie. really rough / sand etc.
Travis.
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