Best All Round 4WD

I believe that most of the current crop of dual cab utes are 3T capable. At least the following are: D40, Triton, BT50, Ford Ranger, Great Wall, Amarok....I don't think the Hilux is but that could've changed.

Yes but only the v8 is capable of towing 3t uphill at the speed required. Do not use 5th for any heavy towing.
Cheers Pete

I reckon that the STX550 3ltr V6 D40 would give the 200 V8 a real run for its money.

Hey Guys!, No mention of what sort of hill, Like to see something tow 3t,up Bulli Pass on the south coast NSW at the above mentioned speed!( The old road)...LOL .. The Defender could do it,....If i had a big enough run up!


Cheers Axle,

Madfisher,
I have a 6.5 Chev V8 and it struggles towing up hill. Really disappointed in it, that is why i have started this thread to see what is out there. I used to have the '98 patrol 2.8 turbo diesel and i had to work the gears to pull anything up a hill. Now that a V8, i find that i am doing the same thing...what a waste of money!
John

Can I ask a silly question ?..Wouldnt it be far better & cheaper to get that Chev
sorted ?...:))))).......oldbaz.

John to tow that amount of weight at 100kph up hill you really need av kenworth, well at least something with 1000nm. But the boss has a 200 and I know it tows a triple horse float with ease. That would have to be close to 3t.
Yes thew old 2.8s where a rever not a torquer, and I beleve NA chev v8s are not as good as 4.2 turbo 100s. You also need to let us know your budget.
Cheers Pete

or an older jeep commander

jeep commander

for about $30k secondhand. Plenty of power and torque and can tow 3500kg's

wizzer

You know you can get nearly two 2011 Grand Cherokee Laredo's for the price of one LC 200..........so lets hope they end up being a good unit. I have some time to check them out before buying, so I hope they make the grade.

Wizzer expect mid to high $70's for the diesel.

Bruce
2 for the price of a 200 series.... 50-60 grand for a petrol Jeep and 73 grand for a petrol 200 series GXL.

Not quite 2 for 1, not even close.

LOL

Hey odycologne, the Laredo is $55K DANMTP a LC 200 is POA (carpoint.com) so Toyota do not even want to put up a price so my quess is I am probably closer to the mark then you hahahahaha

Thats because Jeep is imported by one company and Toyota by two in Australia.

Bruce I have a 3 month old 200 series so I know what they are selling for and what you can by one for, just because there is no price listed doesn't mean the are mega expensive.

So how does Toyota not stating a price make you the winner?

There is a thread currently on the Lcool site stating what prices people are paying.

But then again Jeep should be 1/3 the price of the 200 series as the Jeep is only 1/3 the vehicle. LOL

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ody I was just making a comparsion, some of you Toyota people are so full of it. If it is so good come and see if it can go places as good as my 17 year old Isuzu MU can and it will still be going when your Toyota has rusted away.

Now now Bruce, I haven't said nothing bad about your "same as mine Japanees built" Isuzu MU.

Lets see if your MU can go the places our Toyota will be going reliably ( I cop enough from Mick O about buying a 200 series for serious off road work).

I afraid your having a dead end argument with your self and suffering a touch of tall poppy syndrome, I'm not planing on keeping the 200 for anymore then 3 to 4 years and I will replace it with another new something, so if ti falls apart in 8 years time I don't really care.

By the way I have nothing to prove how good or bad it is against another 4wd, I know my capabilities and that of the 200 series.

I'm not bias against any vehicle and most are as capable as each other.

It however seen some have to get aggressive and try to prove there CHEAPER OLDER 4wd is better with no real data to back their claims.... must be a feel good thing.

All I know is mine is worth more then yours LOL LOL LOL ROFLOL

So you presume that because I own an old Isuzu MU I am poor, may be not, just known I do not have to go and spend heaps of money to prove it. Have fun in your Tojo and if I come upon you, say bogged I may have to charge you a fee to get you out hahahahaha

Thats OK if you get bogged and I come across you I'll pull you out for free, hell might even shout you a beer and didn't say anything about you being poor.

I don't care what you drive or how much money you may or may not have, everyone has a place in this word ...yes even you Bruce.

See it works like this, the shark is the ruler of the waters now krill is at the bottom of the food chain, if you got rid of the krill that the larger fish feed off that in the end the BIG sharks eat you would have no large fish and no sharks...... so the sharks are smart they don't eat the krill.

In the real world if we have no poor people then my life becomes harder..... who's going to cut my 16 acres of lawns then hey.... so I'm happy for the poor people to stay where they are PLUS it keeps all the car wrecking yard people in jobs.... where else would you by parts for your MU.... must be like getting a pair of handmedown pajama's from you rich cousin!

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Jeep Grands (I own one) have no space for the drivers left foot. The new model has a foot operated parking brake down there now as well. I found my left shin banging it every now and then on a test drive. Otherwise an excellent car and the diesel is superb. How they could ruin it with such a small oversight is beyond me. They snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in my opinion. Mike

Mike I really like the Jeep Grand Cherokee and we see very few in our workshop for repairs, but can be costly if they do have an issue.

If I could get away with a smaller 4x4 wagon say Prado/Pajero size the Jeep would be on my shopping list.

As long as they don't loose that Jeep off road ability.

Styling is very good with an upmarket interior.

The new diesel will be a killer.

What you say about the drivers footwell is the problem with most left hand drive vehicles thats been converted for right hand drive by the factory... F250's are no different.

If you have a Jeep it pays to have a contact in the good ol USA if you ever need parts, it can save you a fortune.

Well to give credit, they did make a little more room down there than in my 04 diesel. But the foot operated parking brake down there as well? A big fail. The new Touareg (they are a beast and a half) has a button as the parking brake and it works fine. We only have European cars at our place and it's only the Jeep with the left foot problem out of 4 cars. Maybe it's Yank cars that have the problem :-)

Robin,
yes it certainly sounds the business....but the price!! 65K
John

You mean the Japs are finally building European diesels? :-)

You read my mind... I was thinking the F650 too.

Although I do remember an add on TV from the late 80's where a VN Commodore was towing Australia II across the Nullabor.....what do you mean that wasn't real? LOL.

Fab.

Whoops...my bad. It was the monster 149Kw V8 VL. Even more believable...cough, cough.

Commodore tow car

122Kw actually....not bad from a 4.9L V8.

It had me thinking, when the VB Commodore came out they had to redesign the towbar so you could still shut the backdoors when towing.

Had a fleet customer bitch a towbar for the VE Commodore was expensive and only available genuine, appears when you don't use the factory towbar when towing there is a chance of the back window popping out and roof creasing.... there was one here in SA that was at action with under 5000k on the clock complete with missing back window and crease in roof.

We have another customer who has a monster truck, he has Landcruisers in his fleet and was going to get a Landcruiser for himself until he found out it will be illegal for him to tow his 4.5 ton boat so he bought a BIG Chev Duramax..... it was going to cost him $115,000 for the Landcruiser Sahara so for another $30,000 he got the Chev..... the Chev has a 6.5 ton towing capacity.

Olcoolone...it seems that for some, a tow bar is a licence to tow anything. I've seen a Hallet Ski boat that was towed from Andrews Farm to Morgan with a Hyundai Excel.

Some people just don't consider the consequences until it's too late.

Fab.

Might be the same guy who bought a complete 3 seater lounge and got it home tied to the roof.

Place where I worked 20 years ago had a older bloke come in in a Falcon to collect 8 off 1200mm x 2400mm x 16mm sheets of chipboard.... we watched him load them onto the roof of the Falcom sedan..... never seen it done without roof rack.

At Bunning a few month ago at had to laugh at a business dressed guy in a newish Statesman try and get a complete hire cement mixed in his back seat.... he was pushing and heaving.... must of done some damage to the door trim and seat.... obviously a company car.

Well, the best choice COULD be the MB, but the fact that the official MB test team were using the only 1 working vehicle of 6 MB's to ferry spares down the CSR last week, I would think again..

I am a +1 for a Discovery 3 (used obviously) or a 4 if you can afford it. The 3.0 TDV6 will do everything you want it to do, and more, and you will be a lot more comfortable. I have a 3 and the bloke next door drives an LC200 and he covets my car. Thats enough for me...

My opinon ony,

Norm

Agree with the Disco or a LC 200. The Disco is probably a nicer town car IMHO

TOWN CAR???

Strewth. I have lost count of the times I have followed tarted up 100/200s, Patrols, Pajeros, Hiluxs etc with monster 35" tyres on 3" lift kits muck around going up slippery tracks or along the soft sand on the beach (got lots of that here in WA). Some make it, some get stuck etc but they all scoff at my D3 with road tyres. But I just hit the air suspension button and get my 50mm lift, select mud or sand and just walk up the track or along the beach and do it with a minimum of fuss. I have been on a few trips with tarted up D3's and they are only limited by the driver...

My missus uses it as a daily drive and prefers it over my 2010 Falcon. As far as I am concerned it does it all brilliantly. I tow a 2.5T van and a few times I have zoned out driving, looked down and realised I was doing 140kmh. With the self-levelling suspension there is no need for chains, the car knows it has a van at the back and applies the trailer brakes before the car etc...

I am just waiting on the lease to run out on my D3 and I will be going the 3.0 D4 without hesitation.

Norm

Norm the 1,

what exactly is the D3?

John

Normthe1 I am agreeing with you, I have owned one myself in the past and they are a lovely vehicle to drive as is the Lancruiser 200 but I think the Discovery is a better size as a daily driver town car

D3=Discovery 3

100 series landcruiser with a 1HD FTE