Travelling Companions..Beware
Submitted: Monday, Aug 22, 2011 at 18:36
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Member - Trouper (NSW)
I recently returned from a remote area trip wherein the group of 5 vehicles split into 2 groups. A very unsavoury situation where 2 vehicle left the remaining 3 vehicles and pushed on ahead of the other, neither group to see each other again. However i know the splinter group returned
home safely as did my group.
It all started way back when I was looking to find like minded people to travel over a remote area. I already had 2 other couples attending but I thought another one or two would be a safer bet ie a total of 5 vehicles.
When choosing people from either a
forum like this one or elsewhere make sure they are like minded people who have similiar interests and have a similiar amount of time to complete the journey. Even if you have a weekend together to "Eyeball" each other, may not be enough as it was in my case. As the organiser of the journey I took it as my responsibility to ensure a harmonious group. When the meeting took place it was firmly understood by all that the remote portion of the journey would take approximately 10 days plus a rest day in between.
After many months of planning we all met at the designated location for our remote area journey. Day 1-5 was all OK although I detected a little desention when (shall I call my original crew Gp A and the other Gp B) Gp B were a bit exasperated that Gp A were constantly stopping to "look at the flowers" observing wildlife mainly repiles and Dingos and anything else that took our fancy. Two members of Gp A had a wealth of knowledge of Flora) However whilst we were travelling slowly and trying to stop at about 4.30-5.30pm each night we were "on track" time wise. This was all part of my plan which everyone was aware of.
This trip was only going to happen once so we wanted to make the most of it. Info we had, indicted that an excellent
campsite was to be had at a particular location, (there weren't that many decent ones) and so when we arrived at this spot on day 6 at about 10.00am we stopped and I put it to the whole group that (after a successful Recce) that this was indeed the place for our rest day. Gp A were keen to stay the remainder of the day (and night) but Gp B were not and were keen to "Push on and get out the otherside then rest". After some mildly heated discussions all stayed in
camp that day but the simbiotics of the two groups deterioated. And so it remained that way until on the 8th and ardous day, as Gp leader I decided to stop at 4.00pm. Gp B were mortified that I should stop so early as "there is still 2 hours of daylight left lets keep moving" No, I said, "the boogy man will still be there tomorrow for you tackle whats 2 hours? Rest now and be refreshed for the next day." NO was their reply "we are going on to recce the creek area to see if there is a way across." That was political speak that I correctly understood to mean that they were leaving, they departed not to be seen again. We (Gp A) continued our journey and thru perseverence successfully reached all the locations that we originally set out to do all be it 3 1/2 days later... and had a great time doing it as it felt that a great cloud had been lifted of us.
Lookiing from Gp B's point of view, they were probably happy to get away from us and get the trip over and done with. Which tells me they also erred regarding the peolpe they travelled with.
So that is my tale bewarned !!
regards
Reply By: Fab72 - Monday, Aug 22, 2011 at 20:05
Monday, Aug 22, 2011 at 20:05
We managed to pull off a 4 family trip with no major dramas despite everyone having their own agenda.
1 was a keen railway fanatic and loved all railway relics.
1 was a keen landscape photographer (me)
1 just wanted to get the car dirty be doubling back through puddles etc. and
1 was a clock watcher.
How we all managed to get along is beyond me, but we did and all agreed it was the best holiday we had ever had. I guess the fact that we all knew each other before hand and made our own agendas known meant that we all made time for one another....the was the key to keeping everyone happy.
Perhaps trying to assume the role of "leader" was your mistake. It may seem as though it was your agenda and other people's wants/needs weren't accomodated and that they were only there to provide you with a "safety in numbers" sense of security.
Just remeber that the others invested the same amount of money and time into the trip as you did, so they want to get maximun benifit from their investment too.
For the future...either travel alone, screen you companions better, hold meetings to discuss the wants and must dos of everyone or just hook up daily with people travelling the same way as you without commiting to spending days or weeks together...unless you gel
well with them.
Fab.
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Follow Up By: Member - Trouper (NSW) - Monday, Aug 22, 2011 at 20:26
Monday, Aug 22, 2011 at 20:26
I never meant to be leader as everyone had a turn at leading for a day at least day and that worked out OK.
Trouper
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Reply By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Monday, Aug 22, 2011 at 20:54
Monday, Aug 22, 2011 at 20:54
This can happen with the best of friends.
Some time back we made plans to travel from the
Gold Coast to WA in the early 1980s.
I spent time having our vehicle prepared and our camping gear ect.
My mate only new where to fill the petrol tank, he new very little about motor vehicles.
He didn't even check the radiator or oil ect before we left.
We only got as far
Warwick when his engine over heated and I found his radiator was nearly empty.
Further into the trip he had a flat tyre just out side
Broken Hill, and you wouldn't believe it he had no spare tyre.
I had to remove the tyre and drive into
Broken Hill to get it repaired,and while I was there bought two second hand spare wheels complete.
We stayed at our inlaws on a wheat property for a couple of days at Mallala in SA
and while we were there I had the use of the work
shop to service his vehicle.
I was determined not to go any further until his vehicle was road worthy.
We carried on with out any more trouble until we got to
Perth, and then we had we had a difference of opinion on where we wanted to stay.
My mate had 5 kids and we had 2 and his were little outlaws, and accomodation managers wouldn't accept them.
To cut a long story short we parted company for a few days and headed to
Geraldton so we could spend some family time by our selves.
Then we met up again and came back home to the
Gold Coast, and yes we are still friends.
Cheers
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Reply By: The Landy - Monday, Aug 22, 2011 at 21:34
Monday, Aug 22, 2011 at 21:34
I suspect that we aren’t talking about a lap around the
Corner Country on well formed tracks, but a trip in a remote area that would normally require considerable planning, mind you only those on the trip described here can comment with any insight, but commenting generally and without judgement... Remote area travel presents its own set of risks and difficulties and adherence to a well thought out plan might well be the difference between success and tragedy.
Fundamental to planning for successful outcomes is having an understanding of what the end goal is; having a plan of how the goal will be achieved, strong leadership, and, importantly, everyone signing up to the plan and having an understanding of what is expected of each other. If this can’t be guaranteed than you’re still in the ‘planning phase’ and not ready to leave home.
One of my favourite quotes is from Cecil T Madigan, whom, on crossing the
Simpson Desert (The Madigan Line) said “The success of an expedition depends primarily on the preliminary organisation”.
Almost sounds like a throw-away line, until you ponder it a few times, and possibly no truer word spoken...
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Reply By: Beemer - Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 at 07:32
Tuesday, Aug 23, 2011 at 07:32
This reminds me of a recent trip we did in May on the Anne Beadell Track,heading towards Illurka, We had stopped on the side of the track, had not seen anyone for 6 days. Group from SA came along, , 5 or 6 Prados. Did not even stop to say hello, although one in the middle seemed like he wanted to.
For me I was disgusted that out in such an area they could not even say G'day.
The group leader was obviously on a mission. We did hear latter that this group had camped at Ilurka and even their seemed separated as a group.
My thoughts. Smell the flowers so to speak, slow down do a trip to see the country, not let it fly by.
If the SA group are reading this - Shame on you.
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Reply By: BrownyGU - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 00:07
Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 00:07
Interesting thread Troup!
My wife, son and I are currently into our 7th month of travelling around OZ, and of the 100's of people we have met and camped next to, you could count on 1 hand the people we would/could travel with, we often walk past large groups of travellers all sitting together laughing and having a ball, but I couldn't see my self spending more than 1 drink with them, It's doesn't matter why, it's just that we are all different, and even the odd couple or family that we have met and clicked with, even if we are travelling in the same direction and on a similar time frame, we only seem to catch up once or twice more through coincidence, and when we make contact through email it is amazing how different our journeys have gone, which just proves even people who you like and have a lot in common with, have slightly different interests and agendas.
I know our scenario is completely different, and I appreciate the need for planning and so on in a trip like yours, but trying to get 5 vehicles (and assume more people) all to get along, when they are all free to do as they like (as apposed to a tag along tour) would be tough.
It sounds like you ended up enjoying yourself anyway, and hopefully the other guys did once they moved on.
Cheers....Browny
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Reply By: Member - Russnic [NZ] - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 12:27
Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 12:27
Every one to there own I guess
If my assumptions are correct I have travelled 3 weeks or so with these people, not on roads but out on tracks.
I would have been in this party except the timing did not suit my circumstances.
When one travels with a group sometimes one needs to fit in with others.
The
Canberra Guy I know likes to travel faster than I feel comfortable for my set up, but that is good always within UHF range, and scouts out the camp sites, me I tootle along take photos and smell the flowers, the other guy likes to be tail end Charlie so that is not a problem to me.
I would take another trip with them again without a problem.
I know one guy has a satphone and the other has HF, I would presume your group would have been equipped the same.
If I have got this right Hi to Anne and Margaret.
Cheers
Russ
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Follow Up By: Member - Howard (ACT) - Saturday, Sep 10, 2011 at 20:53
Saturday, Sep 10, 2011 at 20:53
Hi Russ,
correcto it was us,
will tell you about it some time
Just got back tonight from a 25 day trip of flinders /simpson/birsville races/darling river .
If I can get the truck serviced this week its off again on the weekend to
Silverton for the gettogether
cheers
howard
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