New Crusier What to get

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I have been thinking of getting a 76 series Wagon as opposed to Parado or 200 series.

We do trips like the Simpson desert and things like that.

I would be interested to hear your thoughts on the Parado and 76 Wagon.

Currently gave a 1HDT HJ80 but its very thirsty towing a trailer 19 lts per 100km.

Look forward to hearing your thoughts.
Thanks
Wayne B
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Reply By: Borderliine - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 16:26

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 16:26
Depending on the the existence and age of children you may have, (being able to do up there own seat-belt is the main criteria), don't discount a 5 seat Troopy. Better driving position and much more room and load capacity than all the others.

Good luck
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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 20:47

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 20:47
Agree, I think that they are a much more practical vehicle , especially if you add an ambulance style third door
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Reply By: Member - Richard W (NSW) - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 16:57

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 16:57
Wayne, FWIW.
Had the opportunity of driving a 76 Series on a track near Arkaroola last year.
Previous Owners: Gaul Boys.
Previous Trip: Canning Stock Route
Featured: Gaul Boys CSR video.
Price: Right.

Worturpa Loop Rd:


Drove it both on a rough track (Arkaroola Mt Jacob Backtrack) and on the highway(Coober Pedy to the Breakaways).
Has some go when you wind it up on the blacktop but a bit slow off the mark.
Bit agricultural as you would expect and I found the seat a little uncomfotable and couldn't move it back far enough for my prefered driving position. Passengers don't have much leg room either.
Pretty hard to lift a wheel on the rough stuff and I did the track in 4WH.
Came across one ticklish spot on soft sand in a river bed that that had a bit of a washaway and had a couple of goes but wasn't sure how far the vehicle would lean before rolling. I managed to get the wheels up on the rocks on the side and straddle the wash away to keep it level and got through OK.


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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 17:10

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 17:10
Looks like the 76 series is about to be supersceded as the standard 200 (barn door model) is due out around October. Its a mining special 5 seater, vinyl floors/seats, key start, no KDSS but with the twin turbo V8. Supposedly $10-15K less than a GXL 200 (about the current GXL 76 price). If you do want a 76, there may be some run-out specials on any remaining stock.

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Captain
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 18:50

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 18:50
Sounds good to me Captain - love the barn doors , but I guess they won't be strong enough to carry a spare wheel.

Wonder if it will atract the luxury car tax ?




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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 18:58

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 18:58
Not sure what the final model will have, but the mules have a rear wheel carrier!



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Follow Up By: equinox - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 19:20

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 19:20
Hi Robin,

The luxury tax is based on price, not on luxury.

When I bought the cruiser (a commercial vehicle, not very luxurious) over 5 years ago I had to pay it. Back then it was any vehicle over 50k, its probably gone up now.

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Follow Up By: Member - Wayne B (NSW) - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 21:15

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 21:15
Now that could be interesting Base 200 with Twin turbo v8

I am finding hard to find a replacement for the 80 1HDT Its only fault is the 19 - 20 lts per 100km towing at 100kph other then that its a great vehicle.

Reports indicate the 76 is only around 5 lts per 100km better off and not as good in many other areas, comfort, suspension, room and no center diff lock either.

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Reply By: Member - Wayne B (NSW) - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 18:00

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 18:00
I have tried to find a 76 series to look at but no Toyota Dealer has any in stock. They are all saying November Delivery.

One question I need answered is rear leg room!!! We have a 135kg disabled son who comes with us and he needs leg room. That is why I have stayed away from the Dual Cab type units. We use to have a Rodeo and he was a bit cramped in the back of that

Fuel economy looks good on the 76 from what I have read ranging from 11 to 15 lts per 100km when towing.

Cheers Wayne B
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Follow Up By: rocco2010 - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 18:21

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 18:21
Gidday Wayne

i dont own one but have travelled remote in a 76 series wagon and rear seat room is not a strong point. Not a patch on the old 105 series it was meant to replace

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Reply By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 18:45

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 18:45
Hi Wayne
From previous posts you probably know the Prado and 76 series would be low on my list for saftey reasons , but they are two very different cars so you might need to refine your requirements a little.

I to was surprised recently with an 80 series diesel hardly bettering my 4800 petrol patrol in heavy work.

The 200 series though is a pretty good car but overpriced so I guess if I was in the same position as you are now I would want to know more about the standard series 2000 situation and also wether the GU patrol will come out with another engine variation - I suspect we will know answers to the above by this years end.
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 18:57

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 18:57
After driving a friends 2010 Patrol and owning a 200 series you can see why the 200 series is worth more, the Patrol has had it's day and it might of been a modern 4x4 in the late 90's and comparable to the 100 series up to 2006 but not now.

It's not that I hate Patrols as I'm not overly happy with the 200 either, the 200 series is a very capable comfortable long distance 4x4.

Your remarks about petrol and diesel, I tend to agree and a petrol may be a better option.

The standard 80 series 1HZ do drink diesel, about 5 Lts pre 100 more then the factory turbo 80 series when working hard or travelling loaded at highway speed.

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Follow Up By: Member - Wayne B (NSW) - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 21:38

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 21:38
I just completed a trip across the Simpson French Line towing a camper trailer, I averaged 19lts per 100km My traveling mate had the exact same vehicle without a trailer and averaged 15.5lts per 100km

Last year I only had the 1HZ non turbo and averaged 19.5lts per 100km. The 1HDT would cruse on the black top easily at 110km where as the old 1HDT was only happy at around 90kph and started to overheat at 100.

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Reply By: Crackles - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 19:03

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 19:03
After the 80 series Wayne you would find the 76 a bit of a let down in most departments. Legroom is pretty ordinary in the front or back & packing space is less than that of the old 90 series Prado. I found I couldn't even fit my fridge in without having to turn it sideways!
Seats are below average so most upgrade them & for the price you get very few ergonomic upgrades or safety features included. Short rear leaf springs are agricultural & would give far less travel compared to what you have.
Overall it's a mismatch car built from the Toyota spare parts bin to fill the gap left by the end of the base model 100. You don't see many around simply as they were poor value for money.
What to buy new is a tough call at the moment as there is not much to choose from in a full sized wagon at a price you'd take that vehicle offroad. Landrover Defender possibly if you do alot of outback touring or the 150 Prado if looking for a similar sized car to what you have now for both on & offroad use.
I was almost going to suggest an FJ Cruiser until you mentioned your need for a large rear seat as they are possibly the best value 4x4 Toyota have built of late.
Cheers Craig..............
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Follow Up By: Member - Wayne B (NSW) - Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 21:24

Wednesday, Aug 24, 2011 at 21:24
The Defender dose have some appeal to me However I am a little put off by the reliability factor of the "Rovers" in general. The Defender seems to be the best of the bunch as far as reliability goes.

Cheers
Wayne
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Reply By: pling - Thursday, Aug 25, 2011 at 09:12

Thursday, Aug 25, 2011 at 09:12
I have a 200 and my son has a 76 GXL.

On the black top sitting on 112kph on GPS the 200 is better fuel economy because of the 6 speed as the 76's 5 peed.

The 200 is larger inside and has better ride and handling.

I would wait for the new 200 with barn doors and spare wheel in the correct place, I hate getting the spare wheel out from under when fully loaded and a rear tyre flat.
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Reply By: andoland - Thursday, Aug 25, 2011 at 09:35

Thursday, Aug 25, 2011 at 09:35
Now I'm biased because I have one, but I'd recommend a good look at the 150 series Prado. It has considerably more cabin room than the 90 series (which we traded up from) both in the front and the rear seats, which is one of the reasons we liked it.

The trade-off is that the cargo area is a little smaller, particularly if you get the GXL model or above because of the 3rd row aircon and the 3rd row cupholders. If you are considering a 76 series then I would suggest the base model GX Prado would suit your needs - it has all the technology of the GXL but without the 3rd row seat and some of the shiny bits and with more cargo space.

We completed the Canning Stock Route in our 150 series in June this year and it performed faultlessly. We are a family of four and carried all of our food, drinkls, etc for 3 1/3 weeks. This is without a trailer. We averaged less than 14L/100km for the Canning (diesel).

200 series is a very large, nice, capable vehicle but the price is over the top in my view. I would definitely have considered the forthcoming poverty pack model if it was available last year when I bought the Prado.
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Thursday, Aug 25, 2011 at 18:10

Thursday, Aug 25, 2011 at 18:10
How much did you pay for you Prado and is it diesel or petrol?
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Follow Up By: andoland - Friday, Aug 26, 2011 at 07:48

Friday, Aug 26, 2011 at 07:48
Paid just under $60k including TJm bullbar, Old Man Emu suspension, Airtec snorkel, Hayman Reece towbar and a few other bits and pieces like floor mats, tinted windows and bonnet/head light protectors. The car itself was $55k.

It's turbo diesel.
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Reply By: Member - Paul T (NSW) - Thursday, Aug 25, 2011 at 18:19

Thursday, Aug 25, 2011 at 18:19
Wayne

I have not had any experiences with the vehicles you have listed as interested in, but I think the Prado would be a better tourer as it has 180ltrs capacity (2 x 90litres tanks) where the 76 wagon only has one 90 ltr tank.

Cheers

Paul T
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Reply By: Member - Wayne B (NSW) - Monday, Aug 29, 2011 at 21:20

Monday, Aug 29, 2011 at 21:20
Got a chance to look at a 76 the other day. Its now out of the question no leg room in the back.

I am going to wait for the "POVERTY PACK" 200 with the twin turbo engine

If all else fails I will stick with the 80 and trick it up a bit

Thank you for your advice and comments

Cheers
Wayne B
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Monday, Aug 29, 2011 at 21:35

Monday, Aug 29, 2011 at 21:35
Asked the dealer about the new base 200 today who confirmed it is coming soon but no pricing yet. Expect it will have to be dearer than a 76 meaning even more luxury tax. So where does that put it..... low 70k? plus assesories.....
Cheers Craig.......
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