Flojet 4405-143 Leak Problem in caravan

Submitted: Friday, Sep 02, 2011 at 18:51
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Both pressurised town water and water from our water tanks flows through the 12v pump (not at the same time). When it is turned on and pumping from the tanks (free camps) there is no problem, plenty of pressure and no leaks. However when we hook the hose up to town water in a van park, the pump leaks - the pump is not on in this situation but water flows through it. I think it has some sort of bypass on it but I am no expert.

The pump manual says that the pressure switch max for the pump is 35psi.

Has anyone had experience with this pump? Is the pump faulty? I have tried fitting in-line pressure regulators onto the hose (20psi Bunnings) but it still leaks. I have tried some 15psi pressure regulators and they work and stop the leaks but the water pressure is only a dribble.

This is driving me crazy.......................... HELP!!!

The van is about 10 years old.
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Reply By: oldtrack123 - Friday, Sep 02, 2011 at 19:24

Friday, Sep 02, 2011 at 19:24
Hi
It would appear that the mains water is being feed to the pump inlet & that will allow a forward flow of water through the pump
I would have expected it to be feed into the system After the pump.
Perhaps another faulty set up !!??

Peter
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Follow Up By: Geofff - Friday, Sep 02, 2011 at 20:25

Friday, Sep 02, 2011 at 20:25
It does go into the system after the pump.
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Reply By: snoopyone - Friday, Sep 02, 2011 at 19:34

Friday, Sep 02, 2011 at 19:34
Which side of the pup is leaking.

Most vans have the mains feed come into the line after the pump so that the high pressure doesnt go through it and the pump has a one way valve AFTER it so the the high pressure cant backfeed into it

Are you sure thats not how it is and the one way has a bit of dirt in it and holding it open
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Follow Up By: Geofff - Friday, Sep 02, 2011 at 20:36

Friday, Sep 02, 2011 at 20:36
I don't know much about pumps but this one has an 'internal bypass valve' which I assumed would be to let high pressure water through but it could be something completely different.

I can't see exactly where the water is coming from, but it is not from the inlet or outlet pipe - I will have to take the pump out to see exactly where.
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Reply By: rooster350 - Friday, Sep 02, 2011 at 19:43

Friday, Sep 02, 2011 at 19:43
Where is the water leaking from ?...a joint in the pipe ? ...which one ?...it really sounds like connections need to be tightened to handle the extra pressure coming from the town water connection....had this problem and it was a bitch to fix , very tight space under the sink for a big man to move in... and I doubt if the pump is the problem ..............
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Reply By: snoopyone - Friday, Sep 02, 2011 at 21:37

Friday, Sep 02, 2011 at 21:37
If the pipes have John Guest fittings they can come loose over time and will leak under too much pressure. Could be one of the collets has let go and causing a leak

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Follow Up By: Geofff - Friday, Sep 02, 2011 at 23:19

Friday, Sep 02, 2011 at 23:19
It does have John Guest fittings. I'll check them closely.
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Reply By: Member Al (Sunshine Coast) - Friday, Sep 02, 2011 at 22:05

Friday, Sep 02, 2011 at 22:05
It should perhaps be noted that the pressure regulators sold in the garden irrigation section of Bunnings and elsewhere only reduce the pressure while there is a flow through the regulator. If the flow is closed off after the regulator or if the flow is reduce below a certain amount, then the pressure rises above the nominated setting.

Reliable regulators capable of controlling pressure at all flows are obtainable from plumbing suppliers.

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Follow Up By: Geofff - Friday, Sep 02, 2011 at 23:21

Friday, Sep 02, 2011 at 23:21
Thanks mate - I might try the local plumber if I can't find a leak.
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Reply By: dags666 - Saturday, Sep 03, 2011 at 05:24

Saturday, Sep 03, 2011 at 05:24
Geoff
being a plumber would say you need a non return valve or a one way or a check valve on the out let side of the flo jet pump to stop the two water pressures cross feeding.the town water pressure is back feeding into the pump. im surprised you blown the seals in the pump.id suggest a one way valve make sure the arrow on the valve is facing away from the pump if no arrow blow thru the fitting to see which is the flow direction. just remember it has to suit the low pressure of the flow jet not town water or the valve wont let the water thru from the pump hope it helps Dags
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Follow Up By: Geofff - Saturday, Sep 03, 2011 at 09:58

Saturday, Sep 03, 2011 at 09:58
Is that the case even though the pressurised town water flows through the pump in the first place? Is that normal for both the tank and town water to flow through the pump. The pump details are here:-

http://www.caravansplus.com.au/pdf/flojetquad2.pdf
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Follow Up By: dags666 - Saturday, Sep 03, 2011 at 14:09

Saturday, Sep 03, 2011 at 14:09
no the town water should not go thru the pump. start at the beginning does the pump connect straight from your two water tanks?and now where does the town water branch or join into the water before or after the pump? if before the pump you should have a pressure reduction valve because the pump is propally 12 or 19 litres per minute.if after the pump then you need to stop the water going backwards in to the out let side of the pump hence the non return valve or you can just fill your tanks and you should have no problems
Geoff look at the drawing and between the out let side of the flo jet the other side to the strainer. between the pump and the first tee junction put a one way valve there.after the out let of the pump. the one on the hot water is to stop hot water going back into the cold line hope this helps
Dags
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Follow Up By: Geofff - Saturday, Sep 03, 2011 at 14:23

Saturday, Sep 03, 2011 at 14:23
Thank you very much for the advice.
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Reply By: snoopyone - Saturday, Sep 03, 2011 at 08:08

Saturday, Sep 03, 2011 at 08:08
Hmm I did say that in earlier reply.

Go to a Caravan repair place and get them to look at it and see if it has a one way valve after the pump.

They, as I have already said can get a bit of crap in them and let the high pressure backfeed causing a leak from the normally low pressure piping.

Shouldnt be too hard to get in there and look to see where its coming from.
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Reply By: Member Al (Sunshine Coast) - Saturday, Sep 03, 2011 at 17:19

Saturday, Sep 03, 2011 at 17:19
Geoff, after some research I found info that may help:

1. The Flojet pump is a diaphragm type positive displacement pump. Being of positive displacement design it requires a bypass device to prevent compression damage if the delivery line is shut off. This device is built into the pump and need not concern you.

2. The "35psi pressure switch maximum" is the highest setting that can be made on the pressure switch. It is not the pressure rating of the pump body.

3. I have not been able to find a specification for the maximum pressure that the pump can withstand. The manufacturer of Flojet Pumps does not include this in their specifications, probably because they do not expect the pump to be connected to an external pressure source. However,seeing as how Caravans Plus advise connecting the mains water directly to the pump delivery line I would assume that they consider the pump capable of withstanding mains pressure. Some mains pressures can be quite high and I would not be happy connecting the system without a pressure reducing regulator set to say 35psi.

4. Diaphragm type positive displacement pumps incorporate valves as part of the pumping function. These valves would prevent back-flow and accordingly an external non-return valve would not be necessary.

5. If it were my setup I would not allow connection of the mains water to the pump at all. I would have a manual 2 position change-over valve which connected the system to either the mains or to the pump as I chose. Then there is no issue with back-pressuring the pump.

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Follow Up By: Geofff - Sunday, Sep 04, 2011 at 18:06

Sunday, Sep 04, 2011 at 18:06
Thanks Allan - you're a champion. I value the information you have given me about the pump.

I think I will follow your suggestions - just need to get a good pressure regulator first - one that controls the pressure when the water is flowing or static.
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Follow Up By: Member Al (Sunshine Coast) - Sunday, Sep 04, 2011 at 20:47

Sunday, Sep 04, 2011 at 20:47
I think a pressure regulator would be a good move Geoff.
Use one set to a little higher than the pump pressure switch or the pump will take precedence on a demand.

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Reply By: windmilljack - Sunday, Sep 04, 2011 at 18:30

Sunday, Sep 04, 2011 at 18:30
Hi I dont think the pump is at fault. The 35psi noted on the pump would be the cut out pressure and a cut in of around 20psi. If mains water is fed through the inlet it will over pressure the pump an cause it to leak. I fed on the out llet side the same will happen. you need to feed the water after the pump and install a small non return valve between the mains inlet and the outlet of the pump to prevent mains pressure. Hope this helps
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