Time to replace th Zd3lt

Submitted: Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:01
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After replacing the motor(blown hole in 3&4 piston) repairing the gearbox (stripped 5th gear spline) Fuel pump and now aftercooler I have lost confidence in the patrol to take me around OZ .I have been looking at the Dmax/Colorado new will cost me about $50000 to buy and set up (the seats are not that comfortable),also for around $55000 a 2006 Cruiser GXL or a bit cheaper same year Range Rover Sport v6.I am towing a Coromal Capri XC 535 (17'6")and hope to be travelling for at least 5 years.Would love to get some Honest feed back on your thoughts on tow vehicles.
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:20

Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:20
If you have ben reading recent threads you may find that their are very few strong easily maintainable cars out there without generic issues Carl.

Others have gone from 3lt Patrol to the petrol 4800 Patrol and are very happy.

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Follow Up By: disco driver - Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:40

Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:40
And others have gone from the ZD30 to Landcruiser, Pajero, Jeep and Landrover and have been very happy too.

Not that I'm biased,......... I've only owned 8 Land Rover products in the last 25 years........... still have 2 of them .........and they're in good working order TOO.

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Follow Up By: member - mazcan - Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 19:34

Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 19:34
hi
the local ford agent in bunbury has just advertised the
new ford px ranger 5 cyl 3.2ltr diesel xlt crewcab at $58900 driveaway
another towing option
not 4 not 6 but 5cylinders
so will be interesting to see how it performed along the way
cheers barry
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:08

Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:08
If your spending $50k on a 4x4 Ute you have some choices. If I were touring Australia I would prefer the Cruiser GXL, rather than a 4x4 ute. If you are thinking about the Range Rover think about maintenance costs, the GXL wins the reliability stakes hands down. The GXL would also be nice to tow with, big car and that amount of weight doesn't change the driving characteristics too much.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 13:40

Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 13:40
Maintenance cost on the Range Rover Sport will be about the same as a Toyota or less.
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 14:01

Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 14:01
Only if the Range Rover doesn't endure reliability issues. Once the vehicle is out of warranty and it will be, you can have your Range Rover and I'll take the Toyota (If money is an issue).. IMO it equates to a lot more rather than less..
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 17:51

Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 17:51
Well that is your opinion - not based on anything. My two brothers have 2010 Toyotas - one a diesel Hilux and the other V8 diesel Cruiser GXL trayback. The Hilux has not been too bad but the Cruiser - well just as well it is still under warranty.

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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 18:01

Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 18:01
Isolated cases like anything, why is it all you see by numbers touring Australia is Toyota? Its not my opinion , its fact. As I said you take the Range Rover, your choice, the majority and the experienced tourers take Toyota. Fact, not opinion..
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Follow Up By: Outbacktourer - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 15:02

Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 15:02
"why is it all you see by numbers touring Australia is Toyota?" Consistant quality products, good marketing and wide dealer support over many years. It's a big call if you are saying all the experienced tourers are in Toyotas, especially if you say it is a fact. For my money the current best buy 2nd hand would be a Series 2 D3 petrol V6. 200 was a massive missed opportunity for Tojo, current state of the art for touring wagons is the D4 (IMHO).

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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 15:39

Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 15:39
What are you saying Outbacktourer, one minute consistant quality products etc etc and then you question if Toyota is the choice of experienced tourers, well off course not everyone, but the majority. Why don't you start a new thread as ask the following question

"What is the most common brand 4x4 touring Australia?"

Some of your comments don't make sense or read logically so I can't comment, very funny mate.. LOL
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 15:51

Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 15:51
The question that was posted above was with regards to a 2006 model 4x4 vehicle as the budget is around $50k. So the current model Landrover or 200 series Toyota is out of the budget. Therefore the suggestion of a 2006 Toyota Cruiser GXL was suggested as it is by other posters.

There are some great new vehicles like the D4 and 200 series, they are not $50k vehicles, in fact the D4 is closer to $90k-100k, yes great vehicle but way dearer than a 200 Series and way smaller. So considering the question posted above and to assist the poster, recommendations for a 2006 or thereabouts Cruiser were made by several people. In this age group, say 5-6 year old vehicle, what would you recommend? Not hard really?
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Follow Up By: Outbacktourer - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 16:20

Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 16:20
I repeat "For my money the current best buy 2nd hand would be a Series 2 D3 petrol V6"

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Follow Up By: Outbacktourer - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 16:38

Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 16:38
"in fact the D4 is closer to $90k-100k, yes great vehicle but way dearer than a 200 Series and way smaller" Check your 200 prices and dimensions vs D4, you may be surprised.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 16:40

Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 16:40
Terra Firma - Diesel D4s start at about $74K on the road. While there are more Cruisers outback, you will see more D3/D4s on the road outback than 200 series - and are the D3/D4 smaller than a 200 series - maybe but there is not much in it and the D3/D4 certainly has more interior room than a 200 series.

As indicated the 200 series has been a missed opportunity for Toyota with the Prado really starting to take its place in the Toyota lineup.

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Follow Up By: garrycol - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 16:40

Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 16:40
Terra Firma - Diesel D4s start at about $74K on the road. While there are more Cruisers outback, you will see more D3/D4s on the road outback than 200 series - and are the D3/D4 smaller than a 200 series - maybe but there is not much in it and the D3/D4 certainly has more interior room than a 200 series.

As indicated the 200 series has been a missed opportunity for Toyota with the Prado really starting to take its place in the Toyota lineup.

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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 16:55

Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 16:55
Double Posts Garycol.? Which D4 are you referring to, the 2.7? Anyhow lets try again, what vehicle would you reconnend for $50k?

Please read the original post. I would like the D4 3.0 litre
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Follow Up By: Outbacktourer - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 17:21

Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 17:21
I'd be thinking something like this.

Terra, you are in luck, a mid spec D4 SE with the 3.0 is a few grand cheaper than the entry level 200 GXL TD...

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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 19:35

Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 19:35
Send me the link OBT please, I want one, very very nice vehicle
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Follow Up By: Outbacktourer - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 20:08

Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 20:08
Comparison
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 20:51

Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 20:51
And for the 3rd time what do you buy for $50k?
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Follow Up By: Outbacktourer - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 21:22

Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 21:22
My links can't be working, my followup 13 above links to this : 2008 LAND ROVER DISCOVERY 3 Series 3 08MY SE TDV6 $48,900 (88,000K's). Something like that should be considered, petrols can be had for less $$$ and IMHO are the best value touring wagon on the second hand market.

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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 21:32

Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 21:32
To be fair looking at the D4 engines why would you buy the 2.7? The 3.0L delivers far more power, better fuel economy and would be better for towing. Only problem it's $80-100k vehicle which is getting up there, having said that you do get more features and plushness compared to a 200 Series. The 200 series wins buyers wanting room, 8 seats, towing ability and reliability. We have deviated off the topic here for someone wanting to spend $50k, not sure the D3 is the answer, but good basis for another thread hey..? LOL
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Follow Up By: Outbacktourer - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 22:14

Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 22:14
Yes, perhaps we have deviated a bit LOL. I'm note sure the D3 is the answer either but if I had $50K to spend I'd have a good look at it for sure...

Why would you buy the D4 2.7? It's a fair bit cheaper than the SE with the 3.0, it also has smaller brakes meaning they fit smaller diameter wheels and higher profile tyres, important to some more than others... And the 2.7 used to get rave reviews for performance... until the 3.0 came along. Maybe you would buy one instead of a Prado/Pajero etc.

The D4 seems to me to be a little misunderstood in the market, most often it is compared to the Prado. In actual fact it is basically a match for the 200 in almost every area and better in some. The one area where the 200 will win is Toyota's REPUTATION for reliability and after sales service, and LR's in the past have had a REPUTATION for unreliability and poor service. Some say the 200 is a step back in that area from the 100 and later D3's and D4's a step forward for LR, but these factors IMHO do not influence the majority of buyers until proven over many years.

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Reply By: Shaver - Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:14

Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:14
Why not spend the extra $'s & go for a 200 Series. If you are going to travel for 5 years you may as well do it in refined comfort. Poor old Robin I'm sure is a PR Man in disguise for Nissan Petrol Division & is used to driving a agricultural piece of machinery that is years past it's use by date, (Good in the field, but OH ! those aching ribs). Now if they had the new overseas Nissan here it would be different & pricey story, but no one seems to know when & if it will happen. The 200 is vastly superior in refinement to the 2006 Cruiser GXL & would more than challenge many a modern car in the interior noise department.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:35

Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:35
Hi Shaver

Your in good form today , I won't say anything.

P.S. There is still room for another 200 series in thread 89016 , but I'm afraid there won't be any 4800 patrols to keep it company.
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 18:03

Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 18:03
Robin makes Nissan look good..!
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Follow Up By: Shaver - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 11:48

Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 11:48
Hi Robin,

Bl--dy Hell Robin I went to all the trouble of getting a bite & you let me down. Have a good one Mate !
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Reply By: garrycol - Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 13:39

Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 13:39
At the pricing you have for the RRS you must be looking at very high km vehicles. I have a RRS and they are great but the shape of the body is not the greatest for touring.

Given what you are intending to do and your price range, if you are looking at Land Rover products then I would be looking at a Discovery 3 - year for year about $10 - 15K cheaper than the RRS - same car in a more practical touring body. The TDV6 while a smaller engine than your Patrol it has much more power and torque and much more oomph overall and will easily tow your van.

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Follow Up By: carlj - Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 13:50

Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 13:50
The RRS has 88k on the clock and you make some good points Thanks
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Reply By: Member - Heather MG NSW - Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 14:33

Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 14:33
Hi Carl,

We traded out STX Auto diesel D40 dual cab Navara for a new Mitsubishi Pajero auto diesel only a fortnight ago and are hoping it proves to be a more reliable vehicle than the Navara. It is good value for $$$ and we took advantage of the run out offer on the RX model with sat nav and other bells and whistles. Have not yet towed our van with it however we have owned an older model and loved it.

We had reason to have a number of items replaced or repaired under warranty (both new and extended) in the Nissan and it held us up or caused us to return home early on a number of our trips. To their credit, Nissan honoured the warranty on a number of occasions without question, providing a replacement hire vehicle for a couple of weeks when we were interstate a few years ago.The husband swears he will never touch the brand again though and I couldn't convince him to look at one of the new bigger 6 cylinder Navaras!!

We have had a cargo barrier fitted behind the second row seats for safety and have removed the third row to make an extra storage compartment in the Pajero. Traier brakes were fitted only a couple of days ago and we are yet to get the roof racks sorted for our boat loader.

Looking forward to our first trip away in November to try it out fully packed.

A relative travelled with us for a few months during the winter and was happy with his DMax dual cab, towing a Jayco eagle. We did the Oodnadatta track, Mereenie loop so were on quite a few kms of dirt road.

Have fun choosing your tow vehicle...there are lots to choose from.

Regards,

Heather

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Reply By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 15:32

Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 15:32
I have come to the conclusion that all these 3 ltr motors ect are to small for 4wds,unless you want a Suzuki.

I have lost count of the 4wds we have owned over the years and they have always been 6 cylinder until we purchased out first 3 ltr which was a new 2006 Nissan Navara, I started to have my doubts towing a 2500kg van.

We then traded it in on a new 2008 3ltr crd Patrol, and that was to much truck for little motor.

We have since purchased a 2010 4.8 litre Patrol, yes back to the 6 cylinder motors.

My opinion it doesn't matter what type of 4wd you have just make sure it has a 6 cylinder power plant.

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Follow Up By: garrycol - Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 19:05

Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 19:05
Not all 3 litre or smaller diesels are 4 cylinder - some are 6 cylinder and some have more oomph in power and torque than your gas guzzler. A 3 litre diesel is not too small for a Patrol - the problem is the 3 litre diesel they put in it was the wrong engine.

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Follow Up By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 20:12

Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 20:12
Yes I know.

We had a 1983 Nissan with a 2.8 ltr 6 cylinder motor.

It was a short wheel base model.

When you compare the difference with 3ltr patrols and 4.8 ltr patrols re:towing you certainly can experience the difference.

And as far as being a gas guzzler our 2008 3ltr patrol was guzzling between 22ltr per 100ks and 26 ltrs per 100ks, and it had 30000ks on the clock.

The 4.8 ltr petrol is well under those figures.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:13

Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:13
The sad thing is that having a 3.0 was like playing Russian Roulette. Everyone I know who has a 3.0 has covered high km and tow a lot and never had any issues - though they all have in the back of their mind is their engine going to go but it never does.

I have heard of high fuel usage in the 3.0 before which indicates to me that the combustion system was never designed correctly and is overfueling - a design issue rather than a maintenance issue - yet the same basic engine in the Navara works fine.

Most smaller diesels are giving around 10-12l/100 but as you have indicated the 3.0 is considerably worse - by the way my forward control 3.5 V8 petrol landrover gives 20l/100km.

Maybe they should have put the Navara version in the Patrol and accepted the sight drop in performance.

We all need confidence in our vehicles and you seem quite happy with your 4.8 which is great.

Garry
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Reply By: Member - Anthony W Adelaide - Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 22:44

Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 22:44
If you can afford a 2006 gxl factory turbo cruiser, why would you even consider anything else? IMHO the best all round touring vehicle going. Better than 200 series and all the other wanna be's
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 22:54

Friday, Sep 16, 2011 at 22:54
ditto-its funny that some deride the toyo 4.2TD yet use it as a yardstick to measure inferior junk.
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 08:18

Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 08:18
You can buy a few year old 4.2TDi Patrol and ant it will last you a lifetime... Michael.


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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 08:31

Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 08:31
I agree with Anthony also, a late 4.2TDi of either a Patrol or Landcruiser would make a great choice but for comfort the Cruiser is probably better but if you want a tougher drive train you cant go past the Patrol. Michael


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Follow Up By: carlj - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 09:24

Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 09:24
I have looked at a late 4.2 Patrol but I have never seen a auto (need Auto so the wife can help with the driving or if something goes wrong)
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Reply By: Ray - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 09:02

Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 09:02
If I was doing that kind of trip (twice round the block only me) I would go for a well maintained vehicle that can be fixed by the average Joe with little more than a shifter and a hammer.
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Follow Up By: snoopyone - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 09:06

Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 09:06
If you buy a 100 ser TD you probably wont even need those.

Mine went right around and never even had a puncture.

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