Braking on 83 Viscount Aerolite
Submitted: Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 13:10
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STAN C1
Hi all, After 30 years of not doing any caravaning, I have a lot to catch up on.
My questions is "I think" at present my 15' van has what appears to be an
Hydraulic braking system, there's a cyclinder and plunger connected to a rod going to the wheels. Also can an electric braking system be fitted to this system.
Im not intending to go Off Road at present. Only going up the east coast on biitium surface. Any help would be appreciated..regards Stan
Reply By: STAN C1 - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 13:12
Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 13:12
Should have mention it has the AK-LO
suspension...
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Reply By: Notso - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 13:32
Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 13:32
You'd need to change the Hubs etc to an electric system.
The whole Backing plate and internals are different.
Does the Hydraulic system work?
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Follow Up By: STAN C1 - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 14:01
Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 14:01
Notso, Yes the Hydraulic system works fine , just thought an electric system might be better...as everyone seems to be fitting these types of system.
As you mention a LOT would have to be changed, might not be a necessary item.
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Follow Up By: Notso - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 14:15
Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 14:15
My first van had Hydraulics and they worked fine. It would be quite a bit of work, and money to replace. I'd give them a go for a while, the van isn't that heavy. Just don't forget to flip the little stopper over when you are reversing, otherwise the brakes will activate.
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Follow Up By: STAN C1 - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 14:35
Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 14:35
NOTSO Thankyou for that info , regards Stan
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 18:14
Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 18:14
Stan,
I've got a 16 ft Viscount Grand Tourer of the same vintage and it's only fitted with override brakes (cable operated) and they work fine for the weight of the van at 880kg empty and 1200kg loaded.
Your Aerolite should be even lighter than that, depending on length.
I investigated fitting electric on
mine and it came out at around $4500, more than half the price of the van
Considering that the existing brake system is still legal and works
well I decided not to go ahead with the change to electric brakes.
Hope this helps.
Disco.
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Follow Up By: STAN C1 - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 19:04
Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 19:04
Hi Disco,
Yes Ive decided to stay with the brake system already there.
I dont know if NOTSO will be reading this but he mentioned the STOP OVER
I know what he's talking about as I had one on my other van I had years ago,
but Ive noticed on this one it has a cable looks like its connected to the hand brake system, never come across this before and unsure on how it operates but will investigate further. At present unsure how to disengage braking when reversing.
Thanks for your info
Stan
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 19:29
Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 19:29
Stan,
On your tow hitch there 'should' be a gap of around 25-30mm between the rear of the coupling and the housing fixed to the drawbar. there 'should' also be a small halfround casting/forging attached to pivot on the front of the drawbar housing.
This is swung over into
the gap that should be there thus preventing the coupling shaft from moving rearward as you back.
This is what prevents the brakes from operating in reverse.
The cable attached to the hand brake should apply the trailer brakes when pulled upward. This should stop the van from moving when parked and disconnected from your vehicle.
Don't forget to release the hand brake before moving off. Not doing so is a good way to stuff up the brakes and even set fire to the van when it's travelling.
In my case the handbrake works reasonably but, as a matter of course, I chock the wheels as
well. Just to be on the safe side.
Again I hope this helps.
Disco.
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Reply By: B1B2 - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 20:08
Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 20:08
G'day Stan,
I had the same van for 15 years. A year after I bought it I planned on getting the brakes overhauled, then looked an electric brake setup. The small size of the overrider brake shoes convinced me to change over, (they are tiny) and the axle was changed to solid from the tube/pipe axle.
The great advantage with electric brakes is you can make the van brake first, which takes the sway out of a hard braking manoeuvre. Also if you get caught in the vacuum of a semi, you can apply your brakes and straighten the van.
It was a good van, but a bit light on chassis for any offroad or dirt use.
Cheers,
Bill
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Reply By: Member - Vince M (NSW) - Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 23:27
Saturday, Sep 17, 2011 at 23:27
stan
by your description it sounds like you have the old vacuum braking system probably put out by PPR they worked ok (they were all the go in the 70,s & 80,s) & if your car has plenty of vacuum you can pick the car system up for a few bucks these days (they take a bit to fit) but i would take the old gear off & fix a new set of electric brakes there so much better
good luck
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Follow Up By: STAN C1 - Sunday, Sep 18, 2011 at 11:16
Sunday, Sep 18, 2011 at 11:16
Hi NOTSO, DISCO, BILL & VINCE,
Many thanks for your input, has been a great help and understanding of what is whats.
Ill leave the system as it is and try and figure out the deactivation of reverse component, at present unable to see where the locking plate is.... but will have
another look see, might have missed it somewhere. The one I had on my other van was quite visible . Thanks once again to all.
Stan
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Follow Up By: Ray - Monday, Sep 19, 2011 at 17:55
Monday, Sep 19, 2011 at 17:55
I converted my son's work trailer to electric brakes. It cost $1500.00 for parts. My labour was free
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Follow Up By: Ray - Monday, Sep 19, 2011 at 18:09
Monday, Sep 19, 2011 at 18:09
That was for four wheels
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Follow Up By: STAN C1 - Monday, Sep 19, 2011 at 20:18
Monday, Sep 19, 2011 at 20:18
THANKS for that Ray but I'm no mechanic so would be very expensive to have it done , I had further checks for where the locking plate is but appears there isn't one that I can see... hoping to go to a caravan repair
shop locally sometime this week and see what is what with this 80's system, it appears its a German design.
regards
Stan
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