Registration Labels

Motherhen may have meant to carry your 'registration papers' rather than 'licence papers'.

I would not recommend carrying your rego papers in the vehicle - if it is stolen, the papers could be enough 'proof of ownership' for the thief to sell your car.


You would hope that other states would be aware of the situation that rego stickers are not being issued, but if you are concerned, maybe carry a black and white photocopy of the rego papers/receipt - it should be enough for the cops, but not enough to sell the vehicle.

Personally, I think stickers should still be issued and displayed on all vehicles.

glids

Hi glids

I totally agree with your warning on not carrying the papers in the vehicle and have always advised others the same.

States can access a linked database to all other state regos, so they are moving towards a bit of unity - even though some state departments think their counterpart in other states are hostile enemies.

I think doing away with stickers is one of the more civilised moves and good progress. Stickers prove nothing, are a cost to us (ultimately, as cost is passed on), a nuisance to get, put on and remove. I used to have a drawer full of unused stickers - sent out for the on farm quad bike, tractor etc. A simple check on the rego tells a more accurate story. Roll on the progress as other states follow WA's initiative.

Mh

Agree MH,
I lobbied for many years to have the rego stickers dispensed with as they were an unnecessary cost to print and distribute. With the advent of modern communications, the Police are able to check license, registration etc. in seconds. The sticker then became superfluous.
I am prepared to take full credit for the demise of stickers in WA and will gladly accept all donations. Please make all payment out to 'cash'!

really, Id expect the cost of the sticker to be in the cents rather than dollars. In amongst $600 odd for rego, you WONT even notice the difference.

And the big problems are, firstly forgetting to renew and secondly vehicles that are used by many people-employees rentals etc.
Sure its great that you can jump online and check quickly-great if you have access immediately and time to check up on it.

On top of that when you check up online, they dont even guarantee the info is accurate-WTF?

Printing is just the start. Staff to handle the distribution, postage for us who pay on line, or staffing the local offices who hand out stickers. I don't recall the cost saving amount when it was announced - but it was a significant sum.

Who pays because the sticker reminds them? We pay when we get the bill (or look it up on line when travelling). So would companies work that way - not by going and checking the stickers to see when due. When i worked for a community organisation i rarely drove or looked closely at any of the cars but i always paid the regos on time.

The information on line is as accurate as you will get from their office anyway. I've never found fault with it.

Mh

Hi Motherhen, I know what you are saying about waiting for the bill to come in and that is fine for those of us who are at the same address year after year, but many people move from year to year, renters come to mind very quickly, their bills may not get forwarded onto them, time slips away and before they know it the rego is expired. I know it's up to them to keep a check but.....

Cheers

D

Hi Deana

It is up to people to take some responsibility for changing their address (a legal requirement for Rego and Driver's Licence). They should know which month their rego is due, for budgeting if nothing else, and if the reminder doesn't reach them, look it up on line or ask at nearest licensing centre if they are pre electronic age. Most people these days have fancy electronic gizmos they could put a reminder into.

Our son recently overlooked renewing a rego after he had moved house and the bill never reached him. Nasty little fine. A sticker wouldn't have made any difference.

Mh

Hey MH,
I think Fisho et al are having a lend. Can you imagine them walking around with 'post it' notes stuck all over them to remind them when bills are due to be paid!

I agree with you 100% Motherhen but I do know of people that it has happened to already and yes a nasty little fine, also I believe that the revenue raised from fines for unregistered vehicles since the stickers have been cancelled has jumped dramatically. We use to keep track of the sticker on our vehicles, obviously a lot of people didn't LOL.

Hope all is well with you guys, Haven't noticed any trips that you've done this year???? any plans?????

Hi Deanna

I understand the reason for the increase, is increased recognition of unregistered vehicles now police cars can check licence plates instantly for registration, rather than forgetful people.

Not travelling - life it hard in the farming world.

Hi Dingo - I got a good laugh at your analogy; lovely :)

Mh

Dingo-no not having a lend.

In a company its the accountant that recieves the bill, but the apprentice or other worker who gets the fine.
So who gets punished for overlooking it?
The young P plate apprentice/new guy who dares not question his new boss and refuse to drive til he can use the computer?

Yes I overlook bills sometimes-I work away at sea for up to 5 weeks at a time. Its easy to glance at the sticker.
The sum saved you are talking about will have been spruiked as a total over the whole of a state, sounds like a lot just as it is if you put a buck in a jar every day.

Motherhen-distribution? Im sure you dont really think the DPI/RTA has a person putting each sticker in an envelope and licking it shut then taking it down to the postbox?

So how much did the rego come down in WA when the stickers were stopped? And how much did it go up the next year?
I dont know the answer to that but am willing to bet that if there was any saving it was gone in 12 months?

Hi Fisho,
Your comment about the poor scared apprentice who can't use a computer or telephone (as information on rego is available by this means also) is a little dramatic. I've managed many companies over the years and if through some glitch in the system, a vehicle has not been registered and was being driven by someone who was unaware of the fact, then the company would pick up all costs associated with any penalty occcuring. In addition, the courts would not impose a penalty on the 'apprentice' if he could show he was unaware of the problem and not responsible for the oversight. I probably have been responsible (indirectly) for well over a thousand vehicles and have never had an issue with non payment of registration
The fine in WA is $100.00, no demerits and no loss of license.
You're correct about the 'savings' being passed on. In SA the figure was $5.6m and WA would have been greater however there was no immediate, obvious benefit to motorists.
The savings would benefit the Sate's consolidated revenue which in turn benefits each resident of the State. We don't always see an immediate tangible result from any savings measure implemented but do realise the benefit overall.
Sorry about the "post its' but the image that came to mind was hilarious!

No offence taken:-)

However the penalty/consequence is far greater than $100, there is no CTP insurance cover. This alone will easily have life changing consequences if the result is an accident rather than a fine.
Hardly worth a few cents saving? Perhaps an excellent compromise would be for all business/commercial registered vehicles to carry a sticker, not for the cops benefit but the operators?

Hi Fisho

You make a valid warning about lack of third party insurance with unlicensed vehicles (after 15 days grace period), however this has nothing to do with stickers. I can assure you that the Company Accountant is not running around looking for stickers on the cars in the fleet when ensuring rego (and all other Company bills) are paid on time. Stickers are of no benefit to vehicle owners or drivers. Dispensing with them was a smart move forward in this computerised society of today.

Mh

of course it has to do with stickers? for the benefit of the driver?
Lets look at it another way then if we are to-ing and fro-ing over a few cents.
No stickers saves what-$3 maybe in SA maybe?

How many phonecalls to check rego is that for a multi-driver car? 10 maybe if its a landline, 3 maybe or less for a mobile.
Perhaps if it was set up so you could just text the rego and get a reply immediately it would be better BUT they (I believe) dont do that as you'd have proof if their info was incorrect.

Cost shifting is I think the correct term.
As with your home rates and a "rubbish levy" or "fire levy" is introduced. It was already covered but you get nothing back for it.

Hi Fisho

I agree with you about 'cost shifting' - a very polite way of putting it; cost goes down for them but never for us). I cannot agree with you about the rest. Successful business in not that inefficient, nor are most individual owners. Stickers have nothing to do with reminding the owner when to pay, and are now outdated by modern communications as a way of those in authority telling (rather hazarding a guess due to possible fraud) as to whether a vehicle has current paid up registration.

Motherhen

Hi Mh,
have been unable to respond.. seems to be frozen.
MM your email if you don't mind. I can receive.

Tim

I assume you mean the attitude of the offending police officer, which sadly, in my experience, can be extremely variable.

That's the one

I just registered my trailer online and dint get anything to prove I have registered it
You can however go online and enter your rego number and it will tell you your registration status

Snapper,

My car renewal "Registration Details Certificate" came preprinted and completed in three sections. The bottom bit tears off. The top two bits are to be kept in "a safe place". If you renew on line you are supposed to print your own receipt and attach it to the "Registration Details Certificate". Previously the sticker formed part of the actual Registration certificate and you removed it.

Perhaps trailers are different.

Kingo

In the ACT we get a little tear off slip at the bottom of the rego document - you tear it off and put it on the window - it is the rego label.