Question: Canning Stock Route

Has anyone ever taken a Kimberly Kamper on the Canning Stock Route? If so how did it travel/handle the conditions?
We are planning a trip for 2012 and wondering if towing the camper is doable.
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Reply By: Bill BD - Saturday, Sep 24, 2011 at 10:07

Saturday, Sep 24, 2011 at 10:07
I seem to remember a post not long ago about this and it ended up in a discussion about whether it was irresponsible or not. I believe it came down to whether you should rather than whether you could. Apparently the campers can be hard on the track itself.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Saturday, Sep 24, 2011 at 12:14

Saturday, Sep 24, 2011 at 12:14
Yes, the people who maintain the track ask -

"Due to damage to the track by trailers, it is requested that trailers not be taken."

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Reply By: Member - DickyBeach - Saturday, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:25

Saturday, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:25
Yep, I have.

See Archive post 7590.

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Follow Up By: Member - peter r (NSW) - Saturday, Sep 24, 2011 at 12:14

Saturday, Sep 24, 2011 at 12:14
yes in July this year, not a problem , let tyres down to 18psi all round and take your time

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Reply By: Member - Wayne B (NSW) - Saturday, Sep 24, 2011 at 13:25

Saturday, Sep 24, 2011 at 13:25
I have not been on the Canning, However Rick who came with us on the Simpson Crossing and has previously traveled the full length of the Canning advised against taking a trailer if we decide to do the Canning.

I also read somewhere that there is a section in the middle that trailers are not allowed and there is quite a large detour around that spot if you have a trailer.

From my recent experience towing a trailer across the Simpson I dont think I will be taking one when we do the Canning next year.

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Reply By: Member - Andrew L (QLD) - Saturday, Sep 24, 2011 at 14:17

Saturday, Sep 24, 2011 at 14:17
The Kimberely would do it, with some good old bush pinstripping for the effort.

More important is what you tow it with, as to the success and low impact on the environment.

Plenty of single vehicles out there overweight, poor driving techniques, high tyre pressures and tight timetables ripping it up and doing more damage than what some people think trailers hooked on a suitable and equipped vehicle do
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Follow Up By: CSeaJay - Saturday, Sep 24, 2011 at 15:55

Saturday, Sep 24, 2011 at 15:55
Andrew

Well said
But have to add that many ofthose overweeight high pressured fools with poor driving techniiques then someetimes hooks up trailers themmsellves doing even more damage
The theory only holds if all drivers towing trailers are saints
Sadly they are not.

CJ
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Follow Up By: Ree B - Saturday, Sep 24, 2011 at 16:33

Saturday, Sep 24, 2011 at 16:33
we have a nissan 4.2 DT, KK is fairly new for us only had it 18mths and haven't taken it to any deserts yet only been out west to the plenty , up gulf country, bloomfield and cape with it.
We've only ever taken swags and basics when doing desert trips in the past Wanted a little more comfort since we have a few more greys than we used to. My husband has been driving 4WDs for over 40 years and even trucks up the cape in his younger days doing telegraph work. We'd rather take it easy and enjoy the trip no sense in rushing, life is too short!
We have heard stories of folk in single vehicles doing lots of damage to the track "Let'r rip!" and "give it heaps!" are some of the words heard over the 2 way!!!
Thanks for the info.
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Follow Up By: CSeaJay - Sunday, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:45

Sunday, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:45
Ree
This reply of yours actually sways my view on your question. By the sounds of it you and your husband have the experience, patience and preparation to do this well. With or without the trailer.
My replies are genuine, and admittedly answered the question in general terms rather than to you personally based on your experience.
I am sure you will enjoy it, all the best it is a wonderful trip. Pack sensibly, and IMHO watch your weight
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Reply By: Member -Pinko (NSW) - Saturday, Sep 24, 2011 at 16:59

Saturday, Sep 24, 2011 at 16:59
Hi
This is an old walnut isn't it ?
In 2008 Wife and I hooked up the ultimate and cruised up The Canning. We did all the side trips and thoroughly enjoyed the journey.
We will go that way again.
As i previously there are dumber and dumber in all of us
We sat back and observed a tagalong group of no less than fourteen, most of them overloaded on the roof throw themselves at a dune swaying from side to side with roostertails of sand thrown out the back.
Some were rented (I could read the decal advertisments) drop yer tyre pressures, what's a compressor?.
As damaged as the dunes were we dropped pressures to around 9 psi, up and over and on our way.
Ree, if you need some good info on how to arrive at tyre pressures for you vehicle have a look at Jol Flemmings website and you won't go astray.
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Reply By: Member -Pinko (NSW) - Saturday, Sep 24, 2011 at 16:59

Saturday, Sep 24, 2011 at 16:59
Hi
This is an old walnut isn't it ?
In 2008 Wife and I hooked up the ultimate and cruised up The Canning. We did all the side trips and thoroughly enjoyed the journey.
We will go that way again.
As i previously posted there are dumber and dumber in all of us
We sat back and observed a tagalong group of no less than fourteen, most of them overloaded on the roof throw themselves at a dune swaying from side to side with roostertails of sand thrown out the back.
Some were rented (I could read the decal advertisments) drop yer tyre pressures, what's a compressor?.
As damaged as the dunes were we dropped pressures to around 9 psi, up and over and on our way.
Ree, if you need some good info on how to arrive at tyre pressures for you vehicle have a look at Jol Flemmings website and you won't go astray.
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Reply By: CSeaJay - Saturday, Sep 24, 2011 at 17:57

Saturday, Sep 24, 2011 at 17:57
Ree
Back to answering your question direct.

I personally think a Kimberly Kamper is a capable off-road camper, but it is very heavy
It is also good in the sense that it has plenty of room and those big boxes on the drawbar. But this is also not good because of overloading

Do not get me wrong - we have taken a camper to many many places and I have done the CSR as well. But if we do take the camper, we are able to lift the drawbar up and off in any situation. I think however a Kimberly is too heavy, places too much load on your towball.

These observations does not take anything away from the KK, but answers your Q about the KK in the CSR
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Reply By: Member - Tony (ACT) - Saturday, Sep 24, 2011 at 18:34

Saturday, Sep 24, 2011 at 18:34
When we went on the CSR a couple of years ago, we left the camper at Capricorn Road House and went in via Rudal River, hit the canning and went south.

Previous trip went the full length north to south without the camper.

Met a couple at Durba Springs with a broken kimberly camper.

My point is you will enjoy it more without the camper.
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Reply By: Alan S (WA) - Saturday, Sep 24, 2011 at 21:38

Saturday, Sep 24, 2011 at 21:38
Ree

Yes it is do able. I towed a Tvan through it in july and had no problems. What you need to consider is that you will be dragging a dead weight behind you so weight distrubution is important, try to keep the load on the trailer wheels as light as possible. Balance it as far as possible.
Tyre pressure is critical. I ran 20F/22R/15T psi (a lot lower than others at the same time). Dont be afraid to lower them further if necessary, you can always pump them up later.
Use your gears, dont be afraid to use low ratio, you will come accross people who will boast that they didn't even need 4wd, ignore them.
You dont need speed, get the gear selection & tyre pressures right first.

I went with 4 cars and was the only one towing, and I had less problems than the others, I only missed 5 dunes and of those I just retried again in aa lower gear and slower and went straight over.

The biggest issue I reckon with the tailer is that there is a lot of corrugations and it needs to be structuraly sound.

Which way are you going? as North to south is easier.

Alan
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Follow Up By: Alan S (WA) - Saturday, Sep 24, 2011 at 21:41

Saturday, Sep 24, 2011 at 21:41
Ree

I forgot to mention the way the track winds through dunes, the inclines come with out warning, with a trailer you will be concentating harder. The mental stress is a lot harder.

Alan
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Follow Up By: CSeaJay - Sunday, Sep 25, 2011 at 09:48

Sunday, Sep 25, 2011 at 09:48
Alan,

I'd hate to open a trailer load of worms here
But because you did it with a TVan I wouldn't suggest Ree does it with a KK

Although the KK is good (and better than the TVan in size and some comforts, it is a very different camper to tow. Looong drawbar, very heavy on the towball compared to the TVan. If you get yourself twisted in a TVan, two adults would be able to unhitch, turn, and re-hitch if required. Simply not possible with the KK

Plus then the KK running gear is no match to the TVan (really opening a can here) but it is an honest opinion that one should consider when doing the most remote and longest desert track in Aust (world?)

Yes it can be done, no doubt. But probably shouldn't
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Follow Up By: Alan S (WA) - Sunday, Sep 25, 2011 at 15:15

Sunday, Sep 25, 2011 at 15:15
Hi CJ

We passed several KK's on the track along with lots of generic brand trailers, some doing it easy and some hard.

You are right about the long drawbar and weight, but as I mentioned you need to get the balance right.

Right tyre pressure, gear selection minimises chances of getting caught up as well.

By the way the Tvan still has a lot of weight on the draw bar, approx 110Kg so moving manually in sand would still be difficult.

The poster didn't mention what he will be towing with or his experience these will also make a difference.

Alan
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Follow Up By: Ree B - Sunday, Sep 25, 2011 at 15:36

Sunday, Sep 25, 2011 at 15:36
Thanks CSeaJay and Alan,
My husband has around 40 yrs experience with 4WD (see one of my follow up responses earilier on in the blog) we have a nissan patrol 4.2 TD ute and have done the plenty (striking rain halfway across - we had to detour to Urnadangie as the road was closed....remember when it rained in Central Aust last winter?) we have also been up the bloomfield, gulf country - west to east all trips towing the KK. We have travelled the desert before but not towing anything just the ute, swags and the basic basics. This is a much longer trip and we were thinking a bit more comfort might be good we are talking around 5 to 6 weeks away. We will be travelling with 2 other couples (3 vehicles all up) and more than likely we will be the only ones towing, the others have various set ups on the back of their utes.
I know the KK is considerably heavier than the Tvan, we have added air bags to the ute, kamper has same tyres as ute and the heaviest part of our load is fuel (long range tanks), water (tanks on KK and ute) and food for a few weeks.
Not sure what out total load would be at this stage.
The more weight the more the fuel consumption etc etc .....early stages of planning for the trip and will certainly weight up the pros and cons.
Thanks so much for sharing your insights.....much appreciated.
Ree
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Reply By: Member - Bucky - Sunday, Sep 25, 2011 at 03:35

Sunday, Sep 25, 2011 at 03:35
Ree B

Towing a camper is relatively easy, in the Canning.

Run tyres at 12 front, 15 rear and 12 in the camper, and you will not have a problem.
There is no need to use those long run ups either with those pressures, as you will just go straight up the dunes.
Spreading weight over 6 wheels, is a whole lot better than spreading it over 4, and if you keep a tyre over, from the mail wheel ruts, you will have a smooth dune run-up.
We were 4.7 tonnes, and never had a problem.
Go for it, an do not listen to the knockers.

Cheers
Bucky




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Follow Up By: Member QLD Steve & Lorraine Mc - Sunday, Sep 25, 2011 at 13:36

Sunday, Sep 25, 2011 at 13:36
You got it all in one Bucky, those tyre pressures are exactly what we run with no problems at all, we did it in a T -Van but a KK would do it quite easy too.

My two bobs worth for the day, Cheers Steve.
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Reply By: Ree B - Sunday, Sep 25, 2011 at 15:18

Sunday, Sep 25, 2011 at 15:18
Thanks everyone for your frank and honest opinions based on your knowledge and experiences.
If you know of some who has a KK and has done the trip I would like to hear from them. I see the pros and cons of both perspectives (yes KK no KK) the main point is that we want to enjoy ourselves - enjoyment will win!!
Although I cringe at the thought of sleeping in the swag for so many weeks - we live in the Burnett region of SEQld a long way from the actual track.
I look forward to hearing from someone with experience towing a Kimberly Kamper on this track - if they indeed exist!
Yes it is longer and heavier hence my reason for posting the question.......and all views are most valuable in making our decision.
keep watching this space......it's great!
Cheers
Ree

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Sunday, Sep 25, 2011 at 15:21

Sunday, Sep 25, 2011 at 15:21
I ddi it wth a Pioneer camper & my firend had an Austalian Offroad Campers Odyssey with gull wing boxes etc, probably the closest thing, dimension & weight wise, to a KK.
Neither of us had any issues whatsoever, take it & enjoy the trip!
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Follow Up By: Lindsaydi - Friday, Sep 30, 2011 at 21:54

Friday, Sep 30, 2011 at 21:54
My wife and I did the top half of the CSR 2010 with a nissan 4.2 TI [upgrade ] and a 2006 KK the only prob that we had was on one dune where a LC 200[left his mudflap] owner bogged on the base of a dune and caused me some angst-- dropped the tyres from 24 to 10 and walked over.The only prob you will have if someone messes up your side of the dune by bogging their way up. End result take your KK anywhere --with care --and above all take it easy, I will do the second [lower] half next year for about the 3rd or 4 th time and do not expect any drama's. You will be in rough country slow down drop the air pressures and do not allow your tow vehicle to "pigroot' up the dunes. Take the KK and have a darn good trip. --- I always do!!!!!!
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