Do you need an after market turbo timer on a new car?
Submitted: Tuesday, Sep 27, 2011 at 21:44
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Member - Boo Boo (NSW)
G'day all
I just browsing ebay for accessories available for the Dmax and came across a turbo timer.
They recommend it for new cars. I thought a new vehicle would have one if it was needed.
Your thoughts on this please.
Reply By: NTVRX - Tuesday, Sep 27, 2011 at 22:27
Tuesday, Sep 27, 2011 at 22:27
If it needed one the manufacturer would have fitted one. I think they are illegal in most states.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Tuesday, Sep 27, 2011 at 23:16
Tuesday, Sep 27, 2011 at 23:16
Only if you leave the vehicle while it is still running.
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Follow Up By: NTVRX - Tuesday, Sep 27, 2011 at 23:35
Tuesday, Sep 27, 2011 at 23:35
Exactly
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Follow Up By: Kimba10 - Wednesday, Sep 28, 2011 at 13:15
Wednesday, Sep 28, 2011 at 13:15
So in other words you might as
well sit there and let it cool down and save yourself the $$. I reckon the only time you need to cool the turbo is if you have been running it pretty hard then pull in say off the highway/freeway to refuel or what ever which requires you to shut it down, then I use to sit there and let it cool for a couple of minutes, or if I was on say
Stockton Beach I would let it cool down before bleep ting down for say lunch or a swim or whatever which required me to shut it down. had plenty of turbo vehicles over my time and never had a trubo timer fitted and never had any turbo issue either..................
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Follow Up By: old mate - Wednesday, Sep 28, 2011 at 15:47
Wednesday, Sep 28, 2011 at 15:47
Turbo timers in SA are illegal whether the car is running or not.
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Reply By: Member - Richard W (NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 28, 2011 at 05:55
Wednesday, Sep 28, 2011 at 05:55
Boo Boo,
Never fitted one to my vehicle and have never had any dramas.
I'm no mechanic but from my observations seems they are mostly fitted to older diesels.
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Reply By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 28, 2011 at 06:25
Wednesday, Sep 28, 2011 at 06:25
Thanks for the info fellas.
I'll spend the money on something useful.
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Follow Up By: Fatso - Friday, Sep 30, 2011 at 17:25
Friday, Sep 30, 2011 at 17:25
Spend your money on fuel.
Forget the rest.
Just get up & travel
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 28, 2011 at 07:32
Wednesday, Sep 28, 2011 at 07:32
Just one more thing to break down when you least expect it to and possibly stranding you in the middle of know where!! Michael
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 28, 2011 at 16:54
Wednesday, Sep 28, 2011 at 16:54
OOOPSS Typo!! No where!!
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Reply By: Marksom - Wednesday, Sep 28, 2011 at 08:38
Wednesday, Sep 28, 2011 at 08:38
Hi all, used to work for turbo timer manufacturer, Theory is; red hot turbo if turned off, the oil to the bearings will crystallize in small deposits, its progressive not dramatic ( until it goes), ADR say when key is turned off the engine will stop immediately, there fore not legal technically. Had few stories of old matey put truck into shed, turn off key, foot off clutch, straight through wall. Best tip idto cool turbo by slowing last part of your trip, idle for short time before shut down, EGT gauge would help. Hope this helps.
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Reply By: snoopyone - Wednesday, Sep 28, 2011 at 08:42
Wednesday, Sep 28, 2011 at 08:42
They are actually useful when for instance you have been running hard and decide to stop and turn the motor off without letting it idle down.
Turbo temps are hot enough to boil the oil if it is not circulating and therefore it pays to let the motor idle for a minute or so till the turbo temp gets down under 200c
My EGT registered 325c normally and in 90 secs would cut back to under 200 so I had
mine set to that.
As far as stranding you is concerned you can disconnect it in about 5 mins or if needed just cut and wind the two wires together.
It is illegal to leave a car unattended with the motor running but I did it in front of a cop and he never said anything.
Not to say one may have a different view on a bad day LOL
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Reply By: CSeaJay - Wednesday, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:00
Wednesday, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:00
From what I have researched, it can only do your car good.
Premature turbo failures are almost all tracable back to running very hot and not cooling down fbefore shutting down.
Thing is, it is BIG $$ to replace them on modern cars.
An the reason original manufacturers do not install them is because of legal isues, but there is no doubt that it is good for your car. Yes, it is illegal to run your car whilst away from it, that becomes your choice. I have never heard of anyone actually getting booked for this.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:04
Wednesday, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:04
CSeaJay
After reading my repllies and searching the archives I have placed an enquiry with Thermoguard regarding an EGT .
Thanks for your thoughts.
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Follow Up By: Fatso - Friday, Sep 30, 2011 at 17:38
Friday, Sep 30, 2011 at 17:38
I'm telling you Boo Boo, "just get in your car & drive it mate".
Who cares what the EGT is or the diff temp or even the bl--dy tyre pressure is after the first hours drive.
It doesn't matter.
Of all the 20,000,000 or so cars in this country how many of them are detrimentally affected by not knowing.
This spending money on gimmicks to sit your car in the shed while you then save up to go on a trip is the curse of 99% of 4x4 owners.
How many people do you know that have spent more on the car than on the holiday?
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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:17
Wednesday, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:17
Modern synthetic oils are built to deal with high temps and new generation bearing materials work to alleviate the issue of hot shut down on modern turbos.
Me I just let the truck idle for a minute of so before turning off, easy as.
If you do happen to turn it off quickly after coming to a stop when it is hot a few times, I wouldnt let it worry you.
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Reply By: Geoff - Wednesday, Sep 28, 2011 at 15:38
Wednesday, Sep 28, 2011 at 15:38
Thermoguard EGT guage is more useful than the turbo timer,it will indicate how hard your motor is working.You will be surprised how quickly temperatures rise when pulling a trailer or going uphill.Make sure it does not exceed 700c, if fitted before the turbo....not likely on factory tuned specs.Normal running is around 400c so I usually switch off at 250 or below.... some times it takes some patience.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 28, 2011 at 17:07
Wednesday, Sep 28, 2011 at 17:07
Geoff
Just waiting for a reply from Thermoguard to see what it will need and cost for the Dmax, but after reading the replies it is probably useful to put an EGT on.
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Reply By: RobAck - Wednesday, Sep 28, 2011 at 19:22
Wednesday, Sep 28, 2011 at 19:22
You will find in the owners manual a suggested set of idle down times. For example Toyota recommend 2" if you have been towing and/or running at >100kph for any amount of time.
Check with your insurance company on this and I suggest you will find they would not be supportive with cover to start with and in most State/Territory they have been suggested to be illegal but I have not seen any legislation that is specific. But as mentioned in this thread if you leave your vehicle running and unattended that is illegal and therefore not insurable.
I suggest you could put the money to better use with your DMax
Regards
RobA
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Thursday, Sep 29, 2011 at 06:55
Thursday, Sep 29, 2011 at 06:55
G'day Rob
Although I originally started this thread with a turbo timer in mind I have now decided to go with an EGT for a couple of other reasons.
First and foremost I always have a caravan following us wherever we go. So I would like to ensure that the temp stays where it should.
Secondly, I am quite happy to stay in or by the car to wait for that temp to go down before I turn it off.
With the troopy I have now I normally leave it running for about 3 minutes before turning it off when we pull up in the middle of no where for a cuppa and when in the metro area I normally turn it off straight away.
But, it would be nice to know when I should really turn it off and what temp it is getting to in hilly country.
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Reply By: snoopyone - Thursday, Sep 29, 2011 at 08:53
Thursday, Sep 29, 2011 at 08:53
If you install an EGT there are two options
A pre turbo in the inlet manifold
B Post turbo in the dump pipe.
Cost of A would be many times B
Difference is that the temp pre turbo would be approx 200c more than the temp in B
I took the cheap way and it worked fine.
Just always remember to add 200 to whats showing on the gauge.
I never took
mine much over 500c as pistons tend to melt a bit over 800c especially certain Nissan ones LOL
Hottest I ever took
mine was about 515 on the Willunga
Hill one very hot day.
Had to drop back to second and just creep over to keep it sane.
Engine temp had gone up from normal 73c to nearly 100c
The water temp gauge in the Cruiser had hardly moved so you cant rely on that.
IMHO an EGT is the best thing I added to the car.
For the $75 it cost me I also had a turbo timer and depite the haters it was worthwhile
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