Prado vs Pajero vs Pathfinder

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Hi, i would just like to know which would be the best off road in sand, most reliable and most economical.

Thanks guys!!
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Reply By: Member - Joe n Mel n kids (FNQ - Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 02:10

Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 02:10
Prado .............
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Reply By: NTVRX - Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 05:17

Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 05:17
Gee you've opened a can of worms here!!! Without question the Pajero is by far the superior vehicle. The diesel has the best low down torque a great triptronic auto and strong driveline backed up by 5 yr warranty with a 10 yr warranty on motor & driveline. The Prado.Well what can I say, what a disappointment. Toyota launched the new model with all the usual Tojo smoke & mirrors promising a better motor & performance than the previous model & don't forget the obligatory Toyota price it must be good...right? The Pathfinder....sales are way down & the new V6 diesel, what a great motor but shame about the rest of the vehicle. Due to their weight all vehicles should perform well on the sand. I think they would all be reliable & economical but my unbias opinion is go the that car!!!
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Reply By: Member Bushy 04(VIC) - Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 07:58

Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 07:58
James , The Pajero is miles ahead in performance and reliability, plus the 5 year warranty.
If the Prado was any better you would expect a better warranty?

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Follow Up By: nick - Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 09:49

Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 09:49
Maybe , maybe not. Does the Pajero need 5yr warranty? No faith in their product hence needing to warranty it for 5yrs?
Is the warranty worth anything or will they try and wriggle out of it?
Have a look on the road at what people tour with, vehicle sales and what people who live in the outback drive and make your decision from there.
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Reply By: HGMonaro - Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 08:46

Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 08:46
Pajero needs a warranty, Prado doesn't. Answered that for 'ya ;)
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Follow Up By: dazren - Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 15:02

Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 15:02
I think you will find, the warranty is offered because they have FAITH in their vehicle, and know they will have a good chance of the vehicle being trouble free, Hence NO need to spend money fixing it, car makers do not make profits from fixing cars on warranty, they get the confidence of the buyer, knowing that the maker is so confident in the vehicle, he offers that extended warranty
By the way, i am a toyota fan, but don't have one, they are a good reliable proven vehicle, but then so are a lot of other brands, I have a Colarado, and i pulled my mate's 100 series out of a bog, does that make mine a better car ??
Of it does'nt, But it is all ''horses for Courses, just because 'WE' own one of a particular make, Does Not Make It The Best
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Reply By: olcoolone - Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 09:16

Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 09:16
Prado hands down... why do you think they are more expensive then to other 2?

Plus it's a Toyota.
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Reply By: deserter - Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 09:45

Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 09:45
Nissan's response to major warranty work is attrocious. Read the Nissan forums. I wouldn't touch anything from that brand.
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Reply By: Pezza QLD - Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 10:41

Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 10:41
Riiiiiiigghht, so going off some of the above responses, the next time I go shopping for electrical and other household or shed items I should be going for the most expensive ones with the least amount of warranty ?????????????

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Follow Up By: koshar1 - Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 10:45

Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 10:45
i say get the one that you like best and get an auto,

the brand specific responses are always going to be biased from the fanbois.
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Follow Up By: Pezza QLD - Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 11:19

Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 11:19
Am with koshar there,

Best for sand = Auto !!
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Reply By: Notso - Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 10:59

Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 10:59
Here's an unbiased response from a bloke who has never owned the same brand twice.

The Paj is way ahead of the Prado in all aspects of performance, warranty, fuel economy and pretty well any other measure except "Brand Snobbery" By the way I don't own a Paj, yet?
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Reply By: snoopyone - Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 11:01

Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 11:01
As far as sand is concerned it would be the one with the best driver.

Economy the driver with the lightest foot.

Reliability take your pick There are good and bad in every model

Nissan seem to have worst customer service.

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Reply By: Member - Mark (Tamworth NSW) - Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 13:05

Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 13:05
Pathfinder can't help you, but spending my money on two mid sized 4WDs I have evaluated Prado and Pajero closely.

>Larger fuel tank, better for long touring
>3rd row seats I think can be split, allowing for better configuration when travelling with 6
>Off road magazines tell me is superior in real off rugged rock climbing type stuff
>More comfortable suspension when travelling on bitumen, softer, more comfortable driving along a highway or in town.
>Motoring mags say they have superior NVH and interior finish, but I can't tell the difference
>Superior petrol engine
>I believe superior resale value (as Toyota have such a good reputation, though I don't know how much of it is bought with advertising). Some disagree
>More dealers/ dealer workshops in the bush? there are certainly more Toyota dealers, but in the bush I haven't been to many towns which don't have a Mitsubishi dealer if there is a Toyota dealer. Most dealers in the bush represent multiple brands.
>More Toyota's in the bush, certainly are, but most of them are LC or 1Tonne utes. Though Prado outsells Pajero 2 or 3 to 1, I don't notice more Prados in the bush than Pajero, but again total figures say Prado outsell Pajero.

>5 year warranty, but after owning two and driving 400 000km I've never really had to worry about using it.
>Superior diesel engine and gearbox (so motoring mags all say)
>Superior handling (so all motoring mags say), doesn't feel like a big old American car wallowing around corners, especially on dirt roads or twisting bitumen
>Offer more extras for same $, or at least they did I compared them 4 years ago before laying out $60k.
>Cheaper to buy 2nd hand (as I Prados have better resale value)

Economical, well unless you are going to do a side by side comparison over 3-4 says of driving swapping drivers no one can tell you. Suppose you have to rely on those Government figures.
Prados suit some applications better than Pajeros and vice versa, you have yourself what will suit you better. Sand driving, isn't that more about tyre type and inflation ?
For me Pajero won due to superior handling, roads/tracks I drive, diesel engine and value for money. Under different family/ driving circumstances it would have been the other way around.
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Follow Up By: anglepole - Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 15:44

Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 15:44
I have been subscribing to 4X4 Australia for many years. When a Prado is being compared with other 4WDs, and with out reading the article you know the Prado is always going to be the "best ever".

Take a look at November 2011 issue for such an example.

Their comparison of a Pajero and Prado is a real problem for them.( Pajero are "best ever" if being compared with other 4X4s) In fact I cant recall such a comparison.

I have lived and worked in some of the remotest parts of Australia and and you don't see many Pajeros or Prados there. You see many towing the van to Darwin, and our local car park.

I was at the Oodnadatta races last year no Prados or Pajeros there.

Toyota has one of the largest advertising budgets in Australia. Who is going to risk that?

Prados and Pajero are the darlings of 4X4 Australia.
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Reply By: Member - Michael A (ACT) - Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 17:37

Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 17:37
buy magazines go for test drives do a for and against list also a list of needs and wants.
That is the only way that you can work out what is best for you.
Everyones needs and wants are different there are no short cuts


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Reply By: Kimba10 - Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 18:20

Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 18:20
Well I sat in a 150 prado for a full day of off roading, quit ?? Yes, comfortable ?? yes but not as comfy as a pajero, Power, bit hard sitting in the passengers seat but based on my neighbours pajero it would kill a prado in towing performance, economy ?? On par with each other till it comes to towing, pajero wins again (based on two vehicles towing same weight for the same distance) Quitness ?? Prado definately, off road flex ?? Prado will always beat the pajero while ever the prado has the solid rear end, BUT the pajero will make up for it anyway with its traction control, which also works a treat in the prado plus the down hill assist, the only thing my neighbour dislikes is the rear tyres chew out on the inner edges quicker on his new pajero then his old one due to the independent rear end but again comfy on rough roads. The only reaason I got prado again was due to the solid rear end for off road use, other wise the 3.2T/D pajero was next on the list, I still reckon the pajero is more comfortable then the prado, and personally I like the 120 prado (previous shape) still more then the 150 (at the moment) will probably grow on me but I like the fact of having plastic flares to scratch then metal panels............
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Follow Up By: Kimba10 - Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 18:24

Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 18:24
Meant to say these days you cant past auto for everyday driving and even off road, sand, auto wins hands down, climbing rocks, auto again, very steep down hill decents, the manual will win, but in saying that the down hill assist in the prado worked a treat down some pretty steep and slippery stuff last weekend.......Stilll,, takes a while to get used to taking your foot off the brake and letting it go and letting the computer do its thing, but once you have done it once or twice you get used to it although still have foot over brake pedal.........
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Sunday, Oct 09, 2011 at 19:36

Sunday, Oct 09, 2011 at 19:36
Hi Kimba

As I have both an auto and manual 4800 patrols and can drive them over the same course together - I gotta tell you the auto really doesn't win hands down.

Despite putting some effort into geting the auto to match the manual , when it counts , we take the manual.

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Follow Up By: Kimba10 - Sunday, Oct 09, 2011 at 23:37

Sunday, Oct 09, 2011 at 23:37
Hi there Robin, what even in sand ?? Are you serious ?? (no offence meant) I have had 3 manuals and now 3rd auto (4wd's) and wouldnt even think of going back to manual in the sand (if I had a choice) Just plant the foot and let it do rest, not doing damage to the box by having to throw it between gears to keep up momentum, over a period of time it would have to be stuffing the syncros in the manual box ?? Rock climbing (or that type of thing) I dont mean serious rock hopping (we are talking prado) but I like the fact of been able to idle up gently and been able to have correct wheel placement and not riding the clutch. In saying that i have also obviously used both and while personally I dont think the difference is extreme like comparing to driving in the soft sand I did have the old lux with the wind up throttle control which I did really like using. Down hill steep stuff manual wins hands down, dont dispute that, especially with manual diesel and with a good low ratio like my old lux had, would literally walk down extreme steep embankments, loved the old girl for that, even the diesel prado never held like the lux, and the petrols again not as good as the diesel autos. I am getting the switch added to mine in a few weeks which will allow me to switch the the converter to lock up or not manually. You have obviously compared both your patrols like I have the prados, whats your reasons for likeing the manual just as much ?? More control ?? What do you think of the down hill assist in most of these new 4wd's, must say after seeing it in action last weekend (sitting in the vehicle) diesel auto prado, I must say was extremely impressed with the way it holds the vehicle back and give you so much more control on wheel placement and we were on some extremely steep stuff, the prado just walkied down it, yes still lifted a wheel or two here and there but didnt upset it or the down hill assist in any way.......Regards Steve
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Monday, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:32

Monday, Oct 10, 2011 at 11:32
Hi Kimba

I'm familiar with all the standard arguments and the auto or manual
thing is quite interesting and more subtle than I first imagined.

Having both I can't win or loose but I have been on a mission to
make my later model auto 4800 match or exceed the manual.

I have, on balance been unsucessful so far.

The one big thing you mentioned (downhill braking ) was shocking in
the auto but I fitted 2.88:1 marks adaptor gears into my transferred case and that has closed the gap as the Patrol already auto-locks in low low.

The hysterisis and lack of precision with the auto makes it hard to control.
Had this happen on weekend trying to position car steep uphill against a fenceline. With clutch you can dial in exactly what you want.

In sandhills my auto wins (just), but a previous matched competition
showed it took a huge 22% more fuel to do so.

On the huge moguls of the Madigan line I nearly got trapped and I believe
I could not have extracted myself with my auto, whereas in the manual
I was able, using fine control with clutch and gears, to rock back and forth and get out.

I think when you make these comparisons the results may be car specific.

E.G. The 4800 GU Patrol manual has more power and a significantly wider
torque curve than its V8 100 series cruiser rivals which means that use of gears
or hills etc isn't so important.

I will keep trying and there is one way the auto always wins -
when I wander out to the car half asleep like this morning,
I open the car door and just insert the key and start the car without
getting in, letting it warm up for a few seconds while I wipe dew off the

Can't do that with the manual.
Robin Miller

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Reply By: zappa - Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 18:56

Saturday, Oct 08, 2011 at 18:56
James , I wouldn't spend the extra on a Prado,having owned a Pathfinder and have a mate with a Pajero there's not much between them.
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Follow Up By: muffin man - Sunday, Oct 09, 2011 at 13:12

Sunday, Oct 09, 2011 at 13:12
zappa !!!!!!
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Reply By: James G1 - Sunday, Oct 09, 2011 at 11:43

Sunday, Oct 09, 2011 at 11:43
Thanks for all the advice.
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