200 series Landcruiser petrol

Submitted: Friday, Oct 28, 2011 at 01:33
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I was wondering if anyone could share with me their experience with a Petrol late model 200 series landcruiser. In particular towing. I am trying to figure out which would be the better buy in regards to fuel economy versus price of diesel/petrol. Although a diesel motor is more economical, the price of diesel costs more than petrol. And although a petrol motor is less economical, the price of petrol is less than diesel. by the way, i am talking about V8s.
thanks,
John
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Reply By: Geepeem - Friday, Oct 28, 2011 at 07:33

Friday, Oct 28, 2011 at 07:33
HI Desert Storm,
I wish to make 2 points:
(1)
I have been researching the 200 series for some time – mainly on the LCOOL forum.
Based on the response of owners my notes show the following for fuel usage:
DIESEL – (all data in litres per 100Km)
Open Road 10-12 (average 11)
Town 13-15 (average 14)
Towing 17-22 (average 19.5)
PETROL –
Open Road 14-16 (average 15)
Town 16-18 (average 17)
Towing 22-26 (average 24)
Based on these figures it would appear the Petrol V8 will use approximately 3 litres/100km more than the diesel under similar conditions.
This means you will have to be able to buy an extra 3 litres of petrol for the same price you pay for diesel for every 100km travelled!
(note the average is not a statistical weighted average but a simple average of the usage range)
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While the market can change overtime and may vary at different locations all over Australia for some time where I buy diesel it has been CHEAPER than petrol – yesterdays price was 138.9 for diesel and 145.9 for unleaded and 152.9 for high octane unleaded.

Where there is a big difference is purchase price - the LC200TTD is significantly dearer than the V8 Petrol LC200.
Hope these points help your research.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Shaver - Friday, Oct 28, 2011 at 08:57

Friday, Oct 28, 2011 at 08:57
Geepeem,

If you have been researching LCOOL your figure for the 200 petrol open road 14 - 16 is way out. I have a 200 Petrol & my open road figure is 12.5 - 13lph & that is not hanging around. These consumption figures are supported by other owners on the LCOOL. Your figures seem to be based on the earlier V8 100 Series !
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Friday, Oct 28, 2011 at 19:10

Friday, Oct 28, 2011 at 19:10
But don't forget to factor in two other things.

1) the resale of the TTD is much more than the petrol, so you recoup virtualy all the extra outlay and

2)the smile from an extra 200Nm :)

Cheers

Captain
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Friday, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:05

Friday, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:05
Hi Geepeem

The diesel is much more economical than petrol across almost all vehicles averaging about 1/3 rd more petrol needed.

Against this the petrol price in Victoria cycles , however the long term average bought at the cycles low point is around 2- 3c cheaper for petrol , so on the cost of fuel, its easily lcheaper to use diesel.

Its in the cost of ownership stakes where things become blurred.

Fuel is less than 20% of the average cost of running a newish $70,000 car.

So if diesel is 1/3rd less then all you have to play with is about a 6% potential saving and this can be rapidly eaten up in other areas.

Recently after looking at these things very carefully I brought a petrol 4800 patrol , it is significantly cheaper to own than the 200 series diesel simply because of a $35,000 difference in new price.
Also lower cost of ownership than petrol 200 but not by so much.

On your towing , check it out closely - I found the 200 series petrol a little under powered and worked the auto transmission hard , I think its a car thats going to get a bigger engine on a makeover and hence may devalue, the diesel is much stronger.








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Follow Up By: Geoff H (Q - Friday, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:28

Friday, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:28
I did the figures years ago when I bought an 80 series, and decided to go with a petrol engine running on gas and never looked back as far as costs. I didn't realise how good it was until we bought a diesel Prado.

The only issue was less petrol range (400k) as the gas tank took over the sub tank area. However we had no problems finding petrol on our trip to cape york. I guess we would have needed jerry cans for a desert trip.

Regards
Geoff
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Follow Up By: Shaver - Friday, Oct 28, 2011 at 13:06

Friday, Oct 28, 2011 at 13:06
The trouble is Robin is so used to driving agricultural & antique vehicles & being a Scotsman in the wallet dept, he has forgotten what it is like to drive a refined vehicle ! In regard to power from my experience the 4.7 200 will leave the 4.8 Nissan in it's wake on accelleration. Have a good one Robin !
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Friday, Oct 28, 2011 at 14:05

Friday, Oct 28, 2011 at 14:05
Hi Shaver

I would dispute that 200 series is agricultural & antique . the acceleration figures are available in road tests and 200 petrol is approx 3/4 second slower to 100. (has kw on paper but Its very heavy).
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Follow Up By: Shaver - Friday, Oct 28, 2011 at 15:33

Friday, Oct 28, 2011 at 15:33
I do remember that Road Test Robin, it was after they realized the Toyota had a full 138lts e10 fuel & was hampered by the additional weight of towing the Nissan on a "A" frame behind it ! Oh boy, am I going to cop it now. Cheers !
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Reply By: olcoolone - Friday, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:39

Friday, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:39
One thing you haven't factored in is resale value...... going by past Landcruiser used prices what you would of saved when first buying is lost big time when it comes to sell.

I think they call it a false economy!

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Follow Up By: Geoff H (Q - Friday, Oct 28, 2011 at 13:05

Friday, Oct 28, 2011 at 13:05
Yes the resale value is ordinary, however we used that to our advantage and bought second hand so the value only dropped from 14 to 11 thousand in 4 years.

Unfortunately we bought a late model prado this time so the drop in value will be scary.

Anyway the jury is out on what to buy next time.

Regards
Geoff
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Follow Up By: Kimba10 - Friday, Oct 28, 2011 at 21:15

Friday, Oct 28, 2011 at 21:15
Geoff, why such a big drop in value for the prado ?? Is it diesel or petrol ?? The cost of the new 150 series is keeping the trade in value for a 120 series higher especialy if its a D4D, petrol will have dropped a tad but not that much. I bought a 120 petrol over the diesel, couldnt justify the extra 10g for a diesel, yes the diesel will have better resale but the petrols arnt doing to bad either especially for a good low klm one. I get 11/12's Litre per 100 open road so cant complain about that, yes it is thirstier on the sand and off road but at least I have the grunt for punching over the sand compared to the turbo diesel I had. Best prado out of 3 that I have owned............Twin lockers and some BG muddies make them very very capable off road
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Follow Up By: Geoff H (Q - Saturday, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:12

Saturday, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:12
I bought the diesel Prado, and I doubt that It will only drop 3 grand in 4 years like the old 80 series petrol.

The cost of fuel and servicing with the 80 was a lot less than the diesel Prado so maybe a petrol will be the go next time. I would go to the Cape again but I have no desire to do a desert trip anyway.

Regards
Geoff
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Reply By: age - Friday, Oct 28, 2011 at 14:43

Friday, Oct 28, 2011 at 14:43
Have a look at the post on LCOOL about reports the Aus 2012 200 Petrol will get the newer 4.6L V8 as currently installed in some Tundra/Lexus models in the US and Japanese domestic 200 series.

More economical, heaps more KW and Torque than the current 4.7L V8 and discussions already changing the old petrol v's diesel debates. Could be a game changer - especially if the about to be released barn door "standard" model 200 series gets a petrol option - whoo hoo top beach towing truck


Cheers

A
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Reply By: CSeaJay - Friday, Oct 28, 2011 at 17:30

Friday, Oct 28, 2011 at 17:30
Mate

Diesel alll the way
Almost equal power
Waaay more torque (important for your towing)
Lower fuel consumpption. Forget the cost of petrol v diesel and that jazz, remember lower consumption give you better RANGE and that is inportant in this sunburnt continent off ours
Better (SAFER) overtaking with the diesl than the petrol!
Plus, waht you pay more for thee diesel donk, you get some back on resale as well!

Cheers
CJ
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Reply By: wazzaaaa - Saturday, Oct 29, 2011 at 08:01

Saturday, Oct 29, 2011 at 08:01
How about the difference in servicing costs?
When I had my GQ TD42 every thing seemed to be more expensive.
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Reply By: Member - Desert Storm (QLD) - Saturday, Oct 29, 2011 at 14:04

Saturday, Oct 29, 2011 at 14:04
Hey guys,
thank you all very much for the input. I was surprised to hear about the 200 LC petrol lacking in power towing up hills.
also interesting the resale of the diesels.
thanks again,
John
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