24v Batteries
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garrycol
My 4by runs a 24v system with two 12v batteries in series to provide 24v. My 12v ancillary battery lives in a box where the spare wheel used to live taking up space. The ideal would be to replace the two 12v batteries with a 24v battery and put the ancillary battery in
the spot where the second 12v battery used to live.
Does anyone know of a single automotive 24v battery that I could use to replace the two 12v batteries in series. The current 12v batteries have a CCA of about 700 amps.
Thanks
Garry
Reply By: Member - John and Val - Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 07:09
Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 07:09
Garry,
You require 24V and a 700 amp CCA. To achieve this your battery or batteries will still occupy roughly the same volume as your present ones are using. If you can find a 24V battery to do the job it will be roughly twice the size of one of your present 12V batteries. It will be twice as heavy too, and being a rarity, more expensive than a pair of 12V ones. Don't think it's a good idea!
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Reply By: The Bantam - Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 09:51
Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 09:51
I both agree and disagree with what the previous poster says.
lots of the 4wds that came fitted with 24 Volt systems, had twice the battery capacity of the similar vehicle fitted with a 12 volt system.
The 24 volt systems being fitted for increased reliabilty and compatability with bigger trucks in the same fleets.
So the increased battery capacity may not be necessary.
If you know there is a similar model with a single battery 12 volt system you may in theory get away with it...but in practice it may not be that simple.
Most 4wds and small to medium trucks use N70 form batteries, about 175mm wide adout 200mm high and about 300mm...and no matter of the brand or model, this about the best bang for bucks 12 volt battery size on the face of the plannet.
AND the manufacturers work arround that, that is why you will almost certainly have two 12v N70s under your bonnet now.
The problem is that a 24 volt battery in that size wont be common and likewise 2 batteries half that size that would convieniently fit.
depending on what vehicle you have what your options are.
my brother had a 24 volt MQ patroll, and he was running 3 batteries under the bonnet of that......but there is plenty of room under the bonnet of those....but all these modern cars are pretty crowded under the bonnet.
If you have a look arround, ther might be room to fit a longer battery tray somewhere an fit 2 smaller batteries..but I don't like ya chances of getting them into an existing tray.
cheers
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Follow Up By: Life Member - esarby (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 13:09
Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 13:09
Hi Guys. Just a thought. When I was serving my appreniship with a transport company. we had problems in the winter with flat batteries.
Parking lights had to run while parked. We had two 12 Volt batteries on the trucks and decided to run the
park light on 12 Volt. Picked up the power from the second battery up to the bus bar, to the switch then the light. 12 volt bulbs. One for the electricaries. Could this be done via an isolator, pick up from second battery via isolator to lights/fridge.
Just a thought to overcome the OP's query.
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 13:27
Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 13:27
Hi
Running a load of one battery of a two series battery arrangement is not a good idea unless you have an equaliser
Without that you will end up with one seriously over charged battery[short life] & one possibly seriously undercharged battery {short life]
Peter
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 15:25
Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 15:25
I looked at this long ago - will kill one of the batteries - equalisers are very expensive. My vehicles is dual system and has a 24v system powered by a 90 amp 24v alternator and 2x12v batteries. It also has a 12v system for 12v things that is powered by a 65amp alternator and a deep cycle 12v battery. This was already fitted and works
well so equalisers etc were not cost effective.
Garry
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Reply By: MrBitchi (QLD) - Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 14:09
Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 14:09
Is it feasible to convert the vehicle electrics to 12V?
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 15:01
Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 15:01
Its fesable but a hell of a job.
ya need to replace every lamp in the vehicle for starters, then replace alternator, starter motor, windscreen wiper motor, vent fan motor, instrument regulator...and thats just the easy one to think about and on an old style vehicle.
If its modern replace the ECU and all sorts of stuff.
not something you take on lightly.
cheers
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 15:30
Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 15:30
Yes - it could be converted to 12v (it already has a 12v alternator on it in addition to OEM 24v alternator) but it is just not worth it - the only drawback is having two starter batteries instead of one and the extra space it takes up.
Garry
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Follow Up By: MrBitchi (QLD) - Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 15:33
Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 15:33
Fair enough.
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Reply By: garrycol - Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 15:20
Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 15:20
Thanks for all the comments - I take it that no one knows of a 24v battery of about the same physical size as a standard 12v car battery.
I have long ago looked at alternative options such as converting to 12v, tapping off one battery etc but these are not options for my vehicle. The issue is that 2x12v batteries take up a bit of space and if the job could be done by a single 24v battery that would be better.
Cheers
Garry
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 15:52
Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 15:52
Garry mate I am sure somewhere some one makes somethng that will fit, but it will be inconvienient and expensive..and when you are out the back of beyond and and that battery fails...mate ya buggered.
I recon ya best hope if to somehow fit a long battery tray in one position and fit a pair of N50s...an n50 is anout 10 inches and n 70 is about 12 inches long all other dimensions are the same
Actuall 24Volt batteries are a bit of rarity...most 24 volt systems use either 2 x 12 volt batteries or 4 x 6 volt batteries
another option is to find somewhere els to fit the second battery.
What vehickle is it.
cheers
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 16:40
Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 16:40
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 19:37
Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 19:37
oh come on garry there has to be somewhere under that you can mount a battery that isn't in the way.
cheers
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Follow Up By: phil300 - Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 21:16
Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 21:16
12 volt battery =6 cells
24 volt battery =12 cells
if you want 24 volts out of a battery the same size as a 12 volt battery the cells are going to be 1/2 the size which = 1/2 the amp hours @ 24volts
you get nothing for nothing if you need the amp hours you have now you need the size. 3x12v or 1 x24 + 1 x12 still needs to be the same dimensions
cheers Phil.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 21:23
Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 21:23
Oh course there is - but if there was a 24v car battery things would be easier - the two starter 12v batteries live in compartment in the cabin behind the passenger
seat and I have the 12v ancilliary battery where you can see that little door behind the drivers door - it is a compartment also in the cab behind the drivers
seat - normally this is where the spare is stored (it now hangs around in the cargo area.
Alternative options are up in the rear drivers side wheel arch up in front of the rear wheel but access would be difficult.
There are heaps of options but the easiest would be a 24v starter battery with the ancillary battery beside it in the main battery box. The thread is about determining if suitable 24v batteries are available not other options for a layout - been through that a thousand times.
Thanks for your input, I appreciate it.
Cheers
Garry
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Reply By: Member - Charlie M (SA) - Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 16:41
Wednesday, Nov 02, 2011 at 16:41
24v batteries are available but I have only seen them in some small aeroplane's.
Very expensive and only lowish cca's not at all suitable for 4wd.
Cheers
Charlie
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