cryovac meat

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We have a waeco cool-ice eski. Supposedlly keeps cold days after ice has melted. So far has't let us down.

Normally when we go camping we freeze all our meat first and then pack it in the eski with blocks of ice. Always find the blocks last much better than a bag of ice cubes.

Today was talking to my butcher and he suggested I cryovac the meat then freeze it as it will last much longer. Sounds like a good idea and he offered to do it for free, so will certainly try it.

Just wondering, does anyone else have experience using this method to keep meat fresher longer?
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Reply By: Member - cuffs (SA) - Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:41

Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:41
I recently came back from a 5 week trip, I cryovac all the fresh meat, cooked meat, stews and Pizza. Nothing was frozen just carried in the fridge. Pork & chicken do not last as long so I buy fresh as I travel if possible.

From experience 5 weeks is about the limit for refrigerated meats.

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Follow Up By: get outmore - Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 15:48

Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 15:48
cryovaccing cooked food is a very , very , very bad idea
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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 16:58

Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 16:58
I can't see any difference to putting left overs in a container and freezing it.
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 18:14

Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 18:14
huuuuge difference

packaging food with the absence of air is exactly what canning is

now heat treating cans to eliminate botulism is a real science

freezing food disables bacteria to grow and multiply

vaccume packing cooked food just inhibits the ability of normal spolage bacteria that would tell you the food is off but wont stop an anaerobic bacteria growing the worst as mentioned which is botulism
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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val - Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 19:54

Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 19:54
I assume you mean vacuum packing precooked food but not freezing it? If its frozen and kept frozen I can't see any problem - its the same as storing it in the freezer at home.

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Follow Up By: get outmore - Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 20:07

Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 20:07
Yes thats right
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Reply By: Bushranger1 - Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:47

Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:47
Cryovac works great.

I get it done whenever I can. Except if you have sharp bones then it can puncture the bag.

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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:13

Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:13
Works best with red meat with no bones as they can puncture the bag. If you want to cryovac chops use pieces of the meat trays that supermarkets use to package meat. Place the meat between the pieces of try to stop the bones rubbing through the bag.

Chicken and pork dont keep as long as red meat. Sausages and mince are OK too. WE have our own machine and also use it to store preprepared meals. When they have cooled we freeze them in a suitable sized container then remove the frozen block from the container and slip it into a cryovac bag and seal it up.

We usually freeze meat before we pack it in our camping fridge. As the frozen meat goes in the bottom of the fridge we have learned from experience to pack the meat into sturdy plastic containers. If this is not done the weight of the fridge contents on top can puncture the cryovac bags, especially if you are travelling on corrugated tracks.

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Follow Up By: gordon_adel - Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 13:31

Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 13:31
Good sound advice. Thank you everyone.

My wife is the one who organises packing as she is freak when it comes to organisation. Things are always packed in plastic and then in tupperware. I reckon she's got every shape and size available. Have found that tupperware is the best. On side note, seems for our camping gear we usually go with top quality because otherwise you pay later for the small savings buying cheaper quality.


John and Val, what brand machine do you have? I think I'll seriously look into getting one.
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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val - Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 19:52

Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 19:52
Ours is from eBay - Maxkon, and we get bags from eBay too. It seems to do the job quite OK, given that it does not get a huge amount of use. It was a lot cheaper than the name brand machines.

Also to clarify, we keep precooked meals frozen after we have vac packed them and have never had any problem.

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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 20:53

Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 20:53
We have the same Maxkon unit and it works just fine, this is one of the best cooking accessory we have, saves a lot of fridge storage space and makes meal preparation easy
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Reply By: gordon_adel - Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 13:50

Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 13:50
I was just googling and came across an older thread from this siste.

http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/Topic/44446/DIY_Cryovac_Systems.aspx

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Reply By: the_fitzroys - Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 15:39

Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 15:39
Hi Gordon,

Been through all this as well. One thing you need to be aware of is that once the meat thaws the cryovac seal is broken. ie. you can't then keep it for 3 weeks or whatever at fridge temperature. We used to freeze our cryovac meat but don't do it any longer for this reason.
Pork and chicken actually last less time in cryovac as they emit some sort of enzyme or vapour once they're cryovaced that makes the meat break down more quickly. So best to take these fresh and eat them earlier, or buy fresh on your travels.

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Reply By: Hi-ryder - Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 17:49

Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 17:49
Hi gordon i am a butcher cryvac is the best way to keep meat but you still must keep it under 5 degrees at all times . Pork and chicken will go off quicker than your red meats . colder the better . If its not kept under 5 degrees it still will go off . Cryvac takes the air out of the bag and then seals it good when in ice becuse water wont get into your meat . hope that helps
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Reply By: Joshane - Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 18:48

Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 18:48
Hi there
Your butcher is right...your meat will last much longer if you cyrovac and then freeze it. We always get our butcher to cyrovac our meat for us before we go on a big trip.
We also freeze it, and have never had any problems with any of the meat or chicken we have bought. Our fridge/freezer holds about 4 weeks worth for our family of 4, and I haven't had any go bad yet.
Your butcher will be able to tell you what you can or cannot cryovac.

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Jodi
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Reply By: the_fitzroys - Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 18:52

Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 18:52
If you're going to freeze cryovac meat it's a good idea to get your butcher to do it and pick it up just before you leave. They can get it more quickly and solidly frozen than you can in a domestic fridge, esp. when you put quite a lot in together. It may feel rock-hard frozen on the outside but it isn't always inside.

Lou
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Reply By: gordon_adel - Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 20:04

Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 20:04
Wow lot's of thoughts here.

As I'm only going away for two weeks I reckon I'll be fine. As the mrs always keeps a running log\diary of everything, when we're back I''ll ask her how we went with it and report back.
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Reply By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 21:36

Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 at 21:36
We've had good results with cryovaccing, just running our Engel as fridge (not freezer) but when we return home and we freeze the unused stuff (never has been pre-frozen) we have found that anything on the bone, such as chops, goes green very quickly the second time around, following defrosting, on the next trip (still in the cryovac). Be careful if doing this.

Now, we just consume those unused chops etc as soon as we return, and don't freeze for later.

Cheers.
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Reply By: Member - Bucky - Friday, Nov 11, 2011 at 04:50

Friday, Nov 11, 2011 at 04:50
Gordon_Adel

Most Butchers can, and will Cryovac meat, if you ask them
But
In 2009 we did a 3 month trip covering The Gunbarrell, the Canning and the Kimberley. just had the odd Pub, or Roadhouse cooked meal
We were away for 3 months, and SWMBO dod approx 80 meals.
Cryovaced them all and staced them into the 40 lt Engle (same thing as a Waeco).. All sealed in meal lots, and laid flat in a freezer, then strategically mixed, and transfered into our Engel 2 days before we left.
We had some left by the time we got home, and were all brilliant.
SWMBO dod roasts, curries, Spagetti bases, and just about all our favourite dishes.
Instant Potatoe mix was the go and if done with UHT milk, you can hardly tell the difference. Peas, corn ect, were freeze dried..

We lived like kings (and queens)

Those little Units are available at Harvey Norman, and at Aldi, if you watch for them. They are also available over the Net

Cheers
Bucky



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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky - Friday, Nov 11, 2011 at 04:52

Friday, Nov 11, 2011 at 04:52
By the way...... dod really means did
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