Landcruiser and Dog Trailer

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Member - Doug T (NT)

Spotted in my town today, it only has single wheels so wouldn't carry a lot of weight. I asked him what he does with it, he said it's mainly used on a property, stated it had 10 tonne on it once, I have no idea where it comes from, was in town to pick up another Landcruiser.

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Reply By: Member - Toyocrusa (NSW) - Friday, Nov 18, 2011 at 20:55

Friday, Nov 18, 2011 at 20:55

Well spotted Doug,thanks for showing us. Lucky for him there are not too many big hills up that way. Cheers,Bob

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Reply By: Stu & "Bob" - Friday, Nov 18, 2011 at 22:48

Friday, Nov 18, 2011 at 22:48

Very nice Doug.

BTW, would one need a semi licence to drive it? or would it be classed just as a trailer?

Food for thought

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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Friday, Nov 18, 2011 at 22:53

Friday, Nov 18, 2011 at 22:53

Good point, possibly yes, but then it don't have the carrying capacity of a normal Tri-Axle Semi, It is Articulated, but so are 5th Wheeler Caravans.

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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Friday, Nov 18, 2011 at 23:01

Friday, Nov 18, 2011 at 23:01

OK here's the answer, It's not Heavy as in HC.

A 'Class HC' Licence covers heavy combination vehicles like a prime mover towing a semi-trailer, or rigid vehicles towing a trailer with a GVM of more than 9 tonnes. Also includes vehicles in class 'HR'.

So if one loaded that trailer with an object that combined with that object and the vehicle did not exceed 9 tonnes then an HC licence would not be needed.
Note: this is NSW specs.

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Follow Up By: Fatso - Friday, Nov 18, 2011 at 23:20

Friday, Nov 18, 2011 at 23:20

I think that type of trailer can't be towed behind a car in Qld. Well not legaly anyway.
Somebody will know for sure if it is legal.

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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Saturday, Nov 19, 2011 at 06:50

Saturday, Nov 19, 2011 at 06:50

Those 8 wheels could have a legal carrying capacity of well over 1 tonn each, so the ATM of that trailer could be over 10T.
What it could weigh legally on the road is determined by the legal towing capacity of the Toyota, or the ATM of the trailer, whichever is least.

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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Tuesday, Nov 22, 2011 at 06:33

Tuesday, Nov 22, 2011 at 06:33

I hate acronyms. What on earth is "ATM" short for?

Phil

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Reply By: Member - Rob Mac (QLD) - Friday, Nov 18, 2011 at 23:46

Friday, Nov 18, 2011 at 23:46

Gidday Doug, I have often wondered why trailers towed by 4x4 or bigger utes are not built with a turn table like a dog trailer behind a tipper. You get tandem axle trailers so would not the weight be better carried by the four wheels being on each corner. I have driven a prime mover with bogie fuel tanker but never towed a dog trailer so do not know how they handle.
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Friday, Nov 18, 2011 at 23:51

Friday, Nov 18, 2011 at 23:51

A short A-Frame can cause a lot of swaying/jerky movements, longer the A-Frame the better they tow.

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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Saturday, Nov 19, 2011 at 01:35

Saturday, Nov 19, 2011 at 01:35

Hey Doug,
Is that a Dolly under that trailer or is it a fixed set up like a Dog trailer?

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Reply By: The Bantam - Saturday, Nov 19, 2011 at 00:29

Saturday, Nov 19, 2011 at 00:29

There is a local mowing contractor arround capalaba running a 4 wheel dog trailer and towing it behind an SUV.

I've had a scratch arround the regulations and I can not see any reason why you cant tow a dog trailer behind a pasenger car.

In fact dog trailers are specificaly mentioned in VSB01, building light trailers.

The RNA in brisbane have a fleet of flat top dog trailers that they tow with small tractors, the ones they use on the roads are registered.
During show time when the roads are closed, they tow several at a time with the one tractor...but not otherwise.

BUT there are some practicalities that come into play.

#1 it would have to be under the towing vehicles towing capacity

#2 if it was over 4.5 tonnes you would need a heavy vehicle licence

#3 lenght restrictions exist

#4 fitting a turntable front end under a trailer is a heavy weight cost.

The licencing issue comes to play on the registered GVM, regardless of what it actually weighs at the time.

over 4.5 tonnes heavy vehicle licence, over 9 tonnes heavy combination licence.

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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Saturday, Nov 19, 2011 at 06:43

Saturday, Nov 19, 2011 at 06:43

''The licencing issue comes to play on the registered GVM, regardless of what it actually weighs at the time. ''

I do not believe that is correct.

And the towing vehicle determines the licence required. That is why you can tow a 4 tonn 5th wheeler behind an F250 with a car licence.

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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Saturday, Nov 19, 2011 at 10:08

Saturday, Nov 19, 2011 at 10:08

Sorry I have not been able to drag it up chapter and verse in the legeslation, but the definitions for all driver licencing in QLD ( and with all likelyhood the rest of the country) is bassed on registered GVM and not laden mass.

A class C licence holder is limited to towing a trailer with a GVM no greater than 4.5 tonnes.
A class LR, MR or HR ( rigid truck licences) is limited to towing a trailer of no greater than 9 tonnes GVM...this is what allows an MR & HR drivers to drive some single axle semitrailers and banana busses

OH and BTW I'd be very interested to hear of a class C vehicle with a legal australian towing capacity greater than 4.5 tonnes.

BTW
I doubt that the rig pictured in the original photo would be legal on the roads in most states, particularly once it had another landcruser loaded on it.

even being generous..a 79 series cruser has a towing capaity of 3.5 tonnes and a curb weight of 2010 tonnes....I cant see that trailer comming in under the tonne

But its in the NT and that is the wild west.

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Reply By: Fred G NSW - Saturday, Nov 19, 2011 at 08:26

Saturday, Nov 19, 2011 at 08:26

I can see a lot of benefits in that rig. As we know, dog trailer combinations are extremely manouverable, especially reversing.

I wonder what sort of coupling it has, and what brake system?

Fred.

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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Monday, Nov 21, 2011 at 21:29

Monday, Nov 21, 2011 at 21:29

Not trying to steal your thunder here, Doug.

This little unit has been at the Drovers' Festival, in Camooweal, over the past few years. They were told that it could only tow ONE trailer back to Mt Isa!!!

Pretty good replica of a "Flintstone", eh.

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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Monday, Nov 21, 2011 at 23:41

Monday, Nov 21, 2011 at 23:41

Bob

You can't steal my thunder mate, we got plenty up here this week,
Mini road train was at the 2005 Mt Isa Rodeo Parade,

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