Road Safety/ Yellow line/White line

Submitted: Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 08:35
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As was mentioned/asked on here a little while ago as to why we no longer use yellow lines on the side of the road as the white ones are hard to see when its wet, wet and dark, fog etc ???? Well the answer from the RTA is that it is a lot cheaper to just use white paint for all the main lane markings, as having to use yellow paint for side lines makes it costly as line marking machines, paint tins etc would need to be flushed each time a different paint coolour was used........... Great to see its all about road safety like they keep going on about !!!!!!!! wHAT A LOAD OF CRAP, endangering people's lifes to save some money on cleaning of equipment.. Most other countries still use a yellow side line to indicate edge of road............Nice to see the pollies gave them selves a nice pay rise yesterday as well, This counrty's becoming a friggn joke...............
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Reply By: Member. Rob M (QLD) - Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 08:45

Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 08:45
Here in Queensland a yellow line on the side of the road means no parking.
We have always had white line marking , never yellow, but then we have always been a little bit different.
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Follow Up By: Mick O - Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 09:28

Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 09:28
Were pretty much the same in Victoria. It's been white paint and it has a reflective content in it. Can't really recall where I've ever seen yellow side lines. We use yellow to designate tramways in the metro area but that's about it.

In relation to Kimba's other comment, the Pollies MAY get a pay rise but it will be at the expense of their perks. According to the wage review panel they'll lose
Overseas study (junket) allowance
Gold card and a few others.

This will make the wage process more transparent if it's included in one base amount rather than tacking on this bit of allowance and that bit of extra. It will also make it easier to interpret and apply just what sort of allowances are applicable to a pollie by simplifying it. Makes it less prone to rorting.

Now if they could only work on the Family Suppport Agency and Centre Link lol.
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Follow Up By: Member - Frank P (NSW) - Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 09:35

Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 09:35
Mick

"Can't really recall where I've ever seen yellow side lines. "

They use yellow on sealed roads in the Vic and NSW skifields.

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Follow Up By: NTVRX - Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 09:50

Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 09:50
I think you will find yellow lines on the roads in the Victoria Alpine areas. I can recall some Vic Roads intelligence years ago when I resided in a country town situated on the Western Hwy. For safety, Vic Roads painted white double lines down the centre of the main street. They also painted a continuous white line down each side about a metre & a half out from the kerb. I asked the engineers why the continous white line down each side of the road & i was told it was a "fog line" and also if you want to park in that confines a motorist can. I asked him "Isn;t it an offence under the Road Rules to drive over the fog line? AND "How can you park adjacent to double white lines? Isn't that an offence also?" He just walked off....I think he was confused. Letters from the local safety commitee proved fruitless.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 10:05

Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 10:05
You can now park inside double white lines in Victoria, as long as you leave at least 3 metres between the outermost edge of your vehicle & the lines.
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Follow Up By: Terra'Mer - Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 16:23

Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 16:23
Same in NSW snowies, yellow lines above the snowline.
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Reply By: Ray - Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 08:46

Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 08:46
I don't have any trouble with white lines. They show up good enough for me but then a lot of the roads here in the West have ripple strips along the inside.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 10:57

Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 10:57
Ray

Just for info, the big problem with white lines is in fog and snow. You cannot see them easily. That's another reason why a lot of the street lights in foggy areas and here in Canberra are yellow.

True fog lights are also yellow.

As far as it being hard to see white lines in the rain are concerned yellow ones are just as bad.

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Follow Up By: Sigmund - Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 13:38

Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 13:38
In snow affected areas it's more a matter of ensuring that the snow clearing machinery operators can tell where the edge of the blacktop is.
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Friday, Dec 02, 2011 at 12:55

Friday, Dec 02, 2011 at 12:55
Actually Phil, I think you'll find that the yellow street lights are because that colour (for some reason) tends to show up movement better. That's why they are often used for security lighting and for street lighting - particularly so you can easily see pedestrian movement, though not so helpful on a windy night when all the trees/bushes are moving!
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Friday, Dec 02, 2011 at 13:26

Friday, Dec 02, 2011 at 13:26
Well they just put a bundle on a road near our place out in the bush where the only movement apart from car (with lights) is kangaroos. I would lay a bet that they are there so that the kangaroos are seen. Moving or not.

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Reply By: The Bantam - Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 10:14

Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 10:14
This flushing of tanks and spray gear is a much bigger issue than some people may think.

A mate of mines brother runs a quite large line marking business and does all sorts of work including highways in QLD, nothern NSW and NT.

His highway trucks will mark one or two lines to the right of the truck and one line to the left of the truck.

all run from the same preasurising equipment and the same tank......thus he can mark one side of a two lane highway in one pass.

the amount of paint involved is simply vast, you could probaly paint 3 rooms and a hall with the amount of paint that comes out when they purge the lines on these trucks.

the marking truck has an huge tank ( like thousands of litres), and on highway runs, he usess chase trucks to keep the supply up to the marking truck.

The amount of waste and mess involved in cleaning these things is likewise immense, so they tend to keep the thing continuously marking as long as they can so they don't have to clean the thing.

AND of course these days the greenies would not just let them clean out anywhere........they would have to go to a facility where all the contaminants could be captured and "properly" disposed of.

Just getting a sufficient supply of paint to a remote section of highway is a logistic issue on its own.

marking 1 yellow line would either mean a full clean and another pass or two at that section of road, a second vehicle and chase team, or a truck with two colours and two chase teams one for each colour.
a two colour truck would then only go half as far when marking a single line.

On the larger open highways we have, the costs with be considerable.

Arround town most of the marking is done by what amounts to oversized go carts that may carry 200 ish litres..so changing colours is less of an issue, and there is more lines in a given area so having one cart for white and one for yellow is less of an issue.

Raised thermoplastic lines are far far better than any of the conventional line paints, they are more visable in all weather as they stand up off the road and they have that tactile property...and they are far more durable

This bloke has machines that do that too....but it is a lot more expensive....there is a lot of it about but the authorities don't have the $$$$ to do it everywhere.

OH... :) on an environmental note, most bright yellow paint contains lead, if you want a bright yellow paint that does not contain lead, that gets a lot more expensive.......I just threw that one in, because I am sure someone will have raised it somewhere.

Just be thankfull you have a white line to show the edge of the road, its not that long ago that thousands of Km of main highways had nothing but a centreline.

It only since the 90s' that I have seen a campaign of extending the verges and marking the left hand boundries of a great many two lane highways.....on quite a lot of roads you can see where the verge has been extended, only then did they have somewhere to mark the lift hand boundry.

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Follow Up By: caseh - Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 10:35

Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 10:35
Hallo Bantam.

You're onto it!

I travel a lot in WA and ninety percent of the roads in Western Australia don't have any paint at all. But than again, 90% of the roads in this state are unsealed (lol)
Just be thankfull the roads get painted at all. There are lots of countries where this is not the case.
And yes, here in NZ yellow also means no parking.

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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 11:29

Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 11:29
Good explanation Bantam. I'd suggest that it's not just 'greenies' who expect industry to look after the environment though. Paint disposal's a large and growing problem in the suburbs.
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Reply By: ExplorOz - David & Michelle - Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 13:30

Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 13:30
Having moved from NSW to WA, we found it strange at first that WA does not use yellow paint at all for lane markings. When we went to the USA our eyes hurt with all the yellow lane paint, which reminded us we hadn't seen it for so long! Interesting post.

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Follow Up By: Kimba10 - Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 13:48

Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 13:48
Hi there Michelle, I personally dont remeber yellow lines ?? Trying to think back when I was younger and travelling with the old man in the van and I dont recall seeing them ?? Maybe they were there just to young to pay any attention to lines on the road lol..............
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Follow Up By: ExplorOz - David & Michelle - Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 15:30

Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 15:30
Sorry Kimba, I was referring to the yellow centre lanes that in NSW are yellow. They are white here in WA. But maybe the idea of white lines for edge marking is so you don't get confused that its the centre of the road?! ie. colour coded so not as to confuse the very tired driver. LOL

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Reply By: Nomadic Navara - Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 16:29

Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 16:29
All road markings in NSW were yellow up to the 50s, can't remember when or why they changed. However I did notice the white lines were easier to see on dry roads.

The edge lines (fog lines is just a colloquial expression) were introduced after the change of colour of the centre lines. It is an offence to drive on or over an edge line. Quote from the Australian Road Rules:

150 Driving on or across a continuous white edge line
(1) A driver must not drive on or over a continuous white edge
line on a road unless subrule (1A) or (1B) applies to the driver.
Offence provision.

Note 1 Edge line is defined in the dictionary.
Note 2 A driver must not stop at the side of a road marked with a continuous yellow edge line
— see rule 169.
(1A) A driver may drive on or over a continuous white edge line on a road if the driver is:
(a) overtaking a vehicle that is turning right, or making a U-turn from the centre of the road, and is giving a right change of direction signal; or
(b) driving a slow-moving vehicle, and it is necessary for the driver to drive on or over the edge line to allow the vehicle to be overtaken or passed by another vehicle; or
(c) driving a vehicle that is too wide, or too long, to drive on the road without driving on or over the edge line; or
(d) permitted to drive on or over the edge line under another law of this jurisdiction; or
(e) avoiding an obstruction.

(1B) A driver may drive on or over a continuous white edge line on a road for up to 100 metres if the driver is:
(a) turning at an intersection; or
(b) entering or leaving the road; or
(c) entering a part of the road of one kind from a part of the road of another kind (for example, moving to or from a service road, a shoulder of the road or an emergency stopping lane); or
(d) stopping at the side of the road (including any shoulder of the road).

(2) This rule does not apply to the rider of a bicycle or animal.
Note Bicycle is defined in the dictionary.
(3) For this rule, a driver drives over a continuous white edge line on a road if:
(a) for a line on the far left side of the road — the driver’s vehicle is wholly or partly to the left of the line; or
(b) for a line on the far right side of the road — the driver’s vehicle is wholly or partly to the right of the line.


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Follow Up By: Ray - Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 18:19

Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 18:19
I've noticed that many of the edge lines denote cycle ways here in W.A.?????
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 22:08

Thursday, Dec 01, 2011 at 22:08
You prompted me to go through some of my Dad's old photo's, The only one I can find with Yellow lines is from my early Teens home town of Chain of Ponds , Not sure of the year for Camperdown photo but going by the cars it looks 1960's , so Brisbane and Vic had white back then.

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Reply By: SDG - Friday, Dec 02, 2011 at 23:53

Friday, Dec 02, 2011 at 23:53
I remember yellow lines when I first got my licence(and before) in the mid 80's. I only remember them as lines you could not overtake on. Double, 1 broken 1 not.
They started going white in the 90's (NSW) that I noticed.
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Reply By: ozjohn0 - Saturday, Dec 03, 2011 at 14:15

Saturday, Dec 03, 2011 at 14:15
While being a Vic I can remember quite clearly that when i crossed the border into NSW double lines were yellow well into the 60's.
I don't know when they changed, but recall something about the states adopting international standards for road markings and signs etc.
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