Battery Monitoring System for CT
Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 03, 2012 at 21:51
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Melb Adventure Camper Hire
We have recently purchased a camper trailer that has a deep cycle battery on board. It can be charged from the car via a Redarc BCDC1220, or via a battery charger when connected to 240V.
I want to install a battery monitoring system so it's easy to see how much power is available. I know Redarc do a full BMS system which is fantastic (and it is standard on the higher spec CT than we bought) but it is too expensive for what I need. I have also found it not as straight forward to read as I would like.
I have had a look at the SETEC
BMS-001 which looks nice and simple. Can anyone give me feed back on these?
I have also seen the Victron Energy
BMV-600S and I like the price of this but it does not seem as user friendly (Basically I want to say to someone who hires out the trailer, "see this number, don't let go under 50%).
One other feature I want it to have is the ability to count amp hours out over a period of time so I can work out an average of what my fridge uses (I know there are a lot of factors to this but I am just after an average).
I do not know what else is available so please give me your suggestions.
Thanks,
Sandy
Reply By: Athol W - Tuesday, Jan 03, 2012 at 22:14
Tuesday, Jan 03, 2012 at 22:14
Sandy
I have recently purchased and installed a NASA BM-1 monitor into my caravan, and found it easy to install, read and use. Purchased on Ebay , prompt service and supplied tracking number with Australia Post.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/250920073250?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
No connection, just a satisfied customer.
Regards
Athol
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Follow Up By: P2D2 - Wednesday, Jan 04, 2012 at 03:59
Wednesday, Jan 04, 2012 at 03:59
The BM1 is the most sensibly priced unit and easy to operate. Take note "The unit continually monitors the voltage, the current (charge or discharge) and calculates the state of charge together with the time remaining to charge or discharge the battery." The calculating of the state of charge is where all these meters fail abysmally. When the battery is new they all work
well, as the battery ages and is not up to full capacity is where they lose the plot.
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Reply By: Mick O - Tuesday, Jan 03, 2012 at 22:17
Tuesday, Jan 03, 2012 at 22:17
Sandy,
I'm surprised you find the Redarc BMS hard to read. I've found it to have a very straight forward display that incorporates a State of Charge over 24 hours and the last 30 days. You can easily assess your hourly output be scrolling backwards through the hourly figures and then, if you wish, work an hourly average off the daily total consumption. In terms of displaying just what power is left in the battery, what's coming out, how long you can run on current consumption and low voltage alarms, the BMS is exceptional.
Yep it is expensive but considering the multi function role it plays, it ends up being a lot cheaper than trying to integrate a lot of separate systems, gauges and shunts to provide the same level of functionality. It's user friendly and pretty much set and forget and most importantly it's Australian made.
There is a heap of
feedback on the Ctek/Redarc products on the
forum so suggest a quick search using the
forum search feature and then grab a cup of tea and settle in ;-) You'll have plenty of reading.
Good luck.
Redarc BMS and BCDC review
Mick
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Follow Up By: P2D2 - Wednesday, Jan 04, 2012 at 03:44
Wednesday, Jan 04, 2012 at 03:44
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Follow Up By: Mick O - Wednesday, Jan 04, 2012 at 06:36
Wednesday, Jan 04, 2012 at 06:36
Ahhy Paul back promoting your own products I see. I have never claimed to have an excess of "technical " knowledge but as a user and serious traveler, I'm more than happy with the product and can make my observations having developed my needs over years and many kilometres of outback travelling (and I might add having used other
well known products which I don't bag). The BMS ticked all my boxes and has worked faultlessly over all of that time. Redarc service is second to none and they always like to receive customer
feedback which also pleases me.
Unlike some, I don't have a vested interest, just a happy camper now stop hijacking the thread and offer something constructive.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Wednesday, Jan 04, 2012 at 15:13
Wednesday, Jan 04, 2012 at 15:13
Mick - I think that the biggest problem with the BMS1215 is that it incorporates things that the OP already has installed in his camper. All he desires is the monitoring section. I don't think he wants to spend a grand to replace what he already has.
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Follow Up By: Mick O - Wednesday, Jan 04, 2012 at 15:25
Wednesday, Jan 04, 2012 at 15:25
Cheers Peter. A grand and then some I'd reckon. Yes it appears they are familiar with the BMS as he has one in the higher spec camper they have bought. A fair outlay to be sure but a good unit. Beats trying to run things through a single analogue gauge like we used to. Technology, you gotta love it. I'm sure they will find something to suit their needs.
Cheers Mick
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Wednesday, Jan 04, 2012 at 16:49
Wednesday, Jan 04, 2012 at 16:49
I concur, Mick has no technical knowledge but a wealth of practical knowhow, how he even worked out how to turn on a PC is beyond me, but he seems to make stuff work
well
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Follow Up By: P2D2 - Wednesday, Jan 04, 2012 at 19:24
Wednesday, Jan 04, 2012 at 19:24
Mick O dont have to sell anything as retired. The BMS1215 is a poorly engineered product and horribly over priced for what it is. The unit is crude engineering and poor design by modern standards.
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Reply By: crd patrol - Tuesday, Jan 03, 2012 at 22:42
Tuesday, Jan 03, 2012 at 22:42
Hi Sandy,
Sorry I don't have first hand knowledge of either of these units but after looking at their respective sites I would think that the Setec BMS-001 would suit your needs pretty
well. Plus it looks like it mounts easy too.
We have a Synergex 6 meter and it has capacity in Ah and %, Ah usage, volts and does the job just fine for us.
crd
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Jan 04, 2012 at 16:12
Wednesday, Jan 04, 2012 at 16:12
Alternate suggestion Sandy
When you get into this stuff you find out that its not as straightforward as it seems.
Many people would be better off buying a simple voltmeter with good performance and simply not letting it get below 12v
The product though has to be simple and easy to use and have no hassles and I suggest the following $18 item jaycar qp2220 (also available elsewhere)
As a bonus you can have a couple of these and they only draw 12ma each so can be left plugged in all day.
http://jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=QP2220&keywords=battery+monitor&form=KEYWORD
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Follow Up By: Battery Value Pty Ltd - Wednesday, Jan 04, 2012 at 18:08
Wednesday, Jan 04, 2012 at 18:08
Well said Robin,
we used to throw those ciga socket type voltmeters in for free when selling our batteries.
These units are as good as gold helping to determine the approximate SOC.
And why someone would spend mega bucks just to find out the exact SOC is beyond me.
cheers, Peter
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Wednesday, Jan 04, 2012 at 18:33
Wednesday, Jan 04, 2012 at 18:33
Well Peter, I think it is "He who has the data controls the something-or-other"
Or something like that! LOL
All this exactitude in Ah's in and Ah's out confounds me. Just what will you do with this data? If you have been using power then the battery will require charging and a decent charging source will look after the requirements.
I use a couple of digital volt/ammeters which give me an approximation of the SOC and some reassurance that there is a reasonable charge current going in when I expect it should be. But beyond that the data is not meaningful except maybe to impress a lay mind.
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Follow Up By: Battery Value Pty Ltd - Wednesday, Jan 04, 2012 at 19:05
Wednesday, Jan 04, 2012 at 19:05
very true Allan, a good charging system which accurately and precisely charges the battery as soon as the source(s) become available is a lot more important than a SOC reading of high accuracy.
cheers, Peter
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Reply By: The Bantam - Wednesday, Jan 04, 2012 at 21:21
Wednesday, Jan 04, 2012 at 21:21
One of the problems with ANY system that purports to show or predict battery capacity or state of charge is the wide variability of battery performance.
People want to know exactly how much energy is in the battery, just like the fuel gage in their car......plenty of people will sell you a device that will "tell you exactly how much energy is in your battery"........but it is a fantasy......they are telling you what you want to hear.
Batteries are far from exact devices
Type, brand, age, temperature, dischage rate, start & end points of charging and other stuff can vary the actual capacity of the battery...and it may change from day to day and hour to hour.
Temperature alone can change the amount of energy available from a battery a huge amount.
The amount of energy in a battery is not as simple as the amount of water in a tank.
The only thing we can reasonably rely upon is the terminial voltage giving us an INDICATOR of how the battery is going...and then there are arguments and variables.
If I was in a hire business that involved lead acid batteries, there are only two things I would install.
An accurate voltmeter
and
A low volatge cut out.
The voltmeter will give you and the customer something to look at, the low voltage cut out will protect your battery from the customer who may not care or understand.
Save the money you would spend on a fancy monitoring system.
As for how much your fridge consumes on average...again there are so many variable factors...again an accurate measure of a fridges energy consumption is a fantasy.......it will vary considerably from day to day.
If you realy want to improve customer satisfaction and the life of your batteries, spend the money you would have spent on a fancy voltage management device, on bigger batteries.
cheers
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Reply By: The Original JohnR (Vic) - Thursday, Jan 05, 2012 at 18:56
Thursday, Jan 05, 2012 at 18:56
Sandy, there is a Victron in our Bushtracker to monitor the battery. It is good that it can monitor or even set alarm at a certain level. If you have a capability to disconnect then all the better. Wet cell batteries drop the voltage as the power is used so you can normally get an appreciation of the amount of power remaining.
Our battery supplier wanted the measurement across a shunt where all amperage in and out were monitored.
There is a review on the Camper Trailers site
here at the review
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Reply By: Melb Adventure Camper Hire - Monday, Jan 09, 2012 at 22:13
Monday, Jan 09, 2012 at 22:13
Thanks everyone for your responses. Sometimes I don't see the woods for the trees (also I like fancy gadgets). Bantam is right a volt meter and a low voltage cut-off is the way to go. This covers off my most important need and that is to protect the battery.
If I was going to go for one of these I would choose the NASA BM-1 monitor, which I did not know was available, but I think having a device to turn off the load automatically is the best option.
Thanks again and now I am off the look through the threads for which LVD is the best.
Sandy
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