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I have a basic kit canon SRL 400D. I want to improve lenses and or camera. I want to shoot wildlife, mainly birds and flowers. I am looking at the canon 5D/5D Mark II and 7D. Lense Tamron SP 70-300 f/4-5.6 Di USD. Can anyone help on what options i have? Also, how do i know a particular lense is for full frame camera? Is the Tamron lense slow?
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Reply By: wilco318 - Tuesday, Jan 10, 2012 at 20:09

Tuesday, Jan 10, 2012 at 20:09

The camera is only the tool with which you take the photo's, it alone does not make you take better photo's. That said the canon 5d/5d mkII are great cameras and, to get the best out of the full frame senoryou WILL need to invest heavilly in canon's L series lenses. Have you considered upgrading your current lenses, this link should help
You would need to be prepared to spend more than $1000 per lens poss alot more. Have you considered an Olympus E-5? totally weather proof, lens prices are resonable if puchased from places like B & H in the states.
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Follow Up By: escapesilv - Tuesday, Jan 10, 2012 at 21:00

Tuesday, Jan 10, 2012 at 21:00
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Reply By: Member - iijmartin - Tuesday, Jan 10, 2012 at 20:19

Tuesday, Jan 10, 2012 at 20:19
Hello escapesilv,
I have the other brand camera, Nikon, with several lenses. If you are interested in flowers, spiders and insects then a macro lens like the Tamron 90/2.8 is ideal. I purchased mine from Hong Kong via internet and can recommend service from suppliers such as citiwide. Superquick delivery-5 days to NSW.
Two good websites are dpreview for expert reviews of all lenses
and ausphotography for great general info as well as specific Canon things.
For wild life and birds buy the fastest lens you can afford. Sigma has some great cheaper alternatives for Canon and Nikon cameras.
Good luck with the photography,
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Follow Up By: escapesilv - Tuesday, Jan 10, 2012 at 20:59

Tuesday, Jan 10, 2012 at 20:59
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Reply By: patsproule - Tuesday, Jan 10, 2012 at 21:13

Tuesday, Jan 10, 2012 at 21:13
I'll second Wilco's suggestions. At work we are currently running a Canon EOS 7D with a collection of Canon L series lenses for shooting DSLR video and the results are simply stunning. Just for fun we popped some of my cheap 400D kit lenses in front of the 7D for a comparison to the L series lenses and I can vouch that a great deal of gain is to be had in the higher quality glass. Since we are chasing large apertures we have been buying F2.8 or even 1.4 lenses which is right up the expensive end. But compared to traditional broadcast video lenses these are cheap.

If you are chasing the ultimate in stills then consider the 5D over the 7D. On a bit more of a budget you could also consider a 60D (same imager as the 7D but plastic body). Hunt around - there are a few grey importers that will do a very nice deal on a camera & lens. But no AU warranty.

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Follow Up By: patsproule - Tuesday, Jan 10, 2012 at 21:15

Tuesday, Jan 10, 2012 at 21:15
P.S. - you dont so much need to know if a lens is for a full frame camera, but need to know the conversion factor (eg - I think it is the focal length x 1.6 for the smaller sensor of the 7D over the 5D). Also, yes - I'd consider the Tamron you suggest a bit slow if soft depth-of-field photography is your aim.
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Reply By: caseh - Tuesday, Jan 10, 2012 at 21:56

Tuesday, Jan 10, 2012 at 21:56
I am into bird photography and literally spend half my life in the land of Oz chasing birds.( The other half I am miserable in wet New Zealand)
My bird photography is a bit of an obsession.

I consider the lens quality more important than the body. Invest in a good quality lens and you will have it for life. Camera bodies will date a lot faster with the advances in technology.

Birds and flowers require a different type of lens of course.
I am a Canon fan and use a 100-400 lens with a 2x converter.
For flowers a micro lens would be the better option and they also sit still for longer -lol-

As for Canon bodies, the 60D is a good semi professional body and not the light plastic type.( that is the 550D)
As stated, I would rather have the quality lens and cut back on the body.

Good luck.

Cheers, Case, Tauranga, NZ
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Follow Up By: whisky_mac - Wednesday, Jan 11, 2012 at 15:12

Wednesday, Jan 11, 2012 at 15:12
I agreed with Case. Stick with the 400D at the moment and get a 100-400 lens.

Go L series if you can afford it. A 1.4 convert will do. The 400D is a crop body lens but it means your 400mm will actually be 640mm when you multiply it by the 1.6 crop of the 400D. Then with a 1.4 converter it takes the lens out to 896mm. It means you will need a tripod or a monopod to steady the camera.

If after buying top quality lenses you still have money left then upgrade the camera. But remember, the camera is only a light safe box with a couple of gizmos on it, the quality of the shot will be due to the lens.

I run a 40D with a 50mm canon lens, a Tokina 12-24mm wide angle, a 100mm Canon Macro and a 70-200mm canon zoom. Not sure but may chase up a 400mm canon prime or spend the big bucks on the 100-400mm canon. Would also like the 24-70mm canon L but were does it stop.
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Wednesday, Jan 11, 2012 at 20:01

Wednesday, Jan 11, 2012 at 20:01
A digital camera is a bit more then a light box....... old film cameras you could say it to but not digitals.

Compare a standard size photo taken with a 400D and 7D and you will notice the difference and the same for the 7D to a 5D, less noise in the photo, more vibrant colours and better definition..... the difference between the 7D and 5Dare less noticeable then between the 400D and 7D

The more you pay the better the processor, dust and water proofing, sensor and quality of parts.

Bit like comparing a computer with a basic video card and one with a high performance one..... hell a computer it's just a processing box.

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Reply By: Member - Barry H (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 10, 2012 at 22:46

Tuesday, Jan 10, 2012 at 22:46
Hi escapesilv,

I have exactly the same Canon camera as you have 400D.

I am into landscape, flowers and macro photography.

I use a Canon 10-22mm, Canon 100mm, Canon 70-300mm and a Tamron 28-75mm (couldn't justify the cost of a Canon 24-70mm) all either F2.8 or F3.5.

This kit covers all my needs and the lenses are fantastic, especially the Tamron, it really is an excellent lens.

The 400D is a capable DSLR, sure it is not a 5D or 7D, but I wouldn't be in too much of a hurry to dispose of it for a later model.

Maybe invest in a Canon 10-22 for landscape and a Canon 100mm for flowers, I picked mine up from DWI International (no association) at a very competitive price.

Have fun with it.


Barry H

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Reply By: escapesilv - Wednesday, Jan 11, 2012 at 05:46

Wednesday, Jan 11, 2012 at 05:46
Thanks all.

All your answers have been of great help.

Cheers Robert
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Reply By: olcoolone - Wednesday, Jan 11, 2012 at 08:33

Wednesday, Jan 11, 2012 at 08:33
If I was you I would be more tempted to go to the 7D and spend the extra on some good "L" series lenses.

The Tamron lens is a entry level good quality lens..... But I would recommend the Tamrom DI2 18-270 VC as an every day lense.

We have a range of "L" series lenses from 16mm up to 200mm..... mostly at 2.8f.

The lense we use mostly is the Tanrom 18-270 when travelling...... we don't have to keep changing lenses all the time and getting dust on the sensor and in the camera body.

The 5D has a few advantages over the 7D like being more water and dust proof, full frame photo's, a better processor with higher iso settings but the down fall over the 7D is it doesn't have an inbuilt flash and will only do 3 to 4 frames per second.

The 7D has a better metering and focus system then the 5D for armature photographers..... but the 5D will walk over the 7D for picture quality and colour..... but overall not much difference between the 2.

Compared to the your 400D the 7D is a much better camera and once you have one you will think your 400D is a pile of $%&^%.
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