Towing with a Mitsubishi Challenger

Submitted: Monday, Dec 15, 2003 at 20:16
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I am considering buying a Mitsubishi Challenger for many uses including towing. Can anyone tell me if it would adequately pull a 17-18 foot fibreglass boat on a single axle trailer, total weight 1450-1550 kg. Towing distances anything up to 300km
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Reply By: Russell [Pajero] - Monday, Dec 15, 2003 at 20:33

Monday, Dec 15, 2003 at 20:33
MITSUBISHI 2/1998-on R1627 Challanger 4WD (E) $387.00 2270kg tow rating /227 kg ball weight.

from http://www.haymanreese.com.au/index.htm

Does not look like you would have much trouble.

Russell

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Follow Up By: battler - Monday, Dec 15, 2003 at 21:06

Monday, Dec 15, 2003 at 21:06
Yes thanks Russell, but does the Challenger have enough power for the job?
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Reply By: Russell [Pajero] - Monday, Dec 15, 2003 at 21:13

Monday, Dec 15, 2003 at 21:13
The Challenger is fitted with either a GDI V6 3500 DOHC 24-valve engine or a 2.8 liter intercooled turbocharged diesel engine. Mitsubishi's environment-friendly GDI (Gasoline Direct Injection)

It rates like the Pajero 140kw and 305 nm at 3500.

OOdles of power for little boat as described.

Go for it (although I miss the Diesel)

Russell
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Follow Up By: Eric Experience. - Monday, Dec 15, 2003 at 22:29

Monday, Dec 15, 2003 at 22:29
Russell.
The Challenger does not have either of those motors it comes only with the 3L petrol but is a good towing vehicle and very reliable. Eric.
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Reply By: Russell [Pajero] - Monday, Dec 15, 2003 at 22:38

Monday, Dec 15, 2003 at 22:38
Engine specs cut and paste from internet site / Mitsubishi !!!!

Love to all

Russell
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Follow Up By: Russell [Pajero] - Monday, Dec 15, 2003 at 22:44

Monday, Dec 15, 2003 at 22:44
Funny Japan site says 3.5l, aussie site says 3.0l, but towing rate same but power specs varied a little bit.

http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com.au/mitssite/jsp/pages/vehicles/vehicles.jsp?groupId=15

Either way hes got plenty to spare to tow his boat.

Russell

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Reply By: macca - Monday, Dec 15, 2003 at 23:41

Monday, Dec 15, 2003 at 23:41
Battler.
I own a 2002 Challenger and tow a 2t, 20 ft caravan and it tows without a drama. Just remember when you get into some serious hills use the gears wisely. The wagon is rated to tow to 2270 kg. The only model released in aus is a 3lt petrol . Max power 136KW @ 5500 rpm and Max Torque 265Nm @ 4500rpm. If as someone has stated that there is a TD model available then it is a grey import.
Except for the fact that it is not as Ballsy as the Patrol or Cruiser I am more than happy with "Mr Bitchy"
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Reply By: macca - Monday, Dec 15, 2003 at 23:44

Monday, Dec 15, 2003 at 23:44
Battler.
I own a 2002 Challenger and tow a 2t, 20 ft caravan and it tows without a drama. Just remember when you get into some serious hills use the gears wisely. The wagon is rated to tow to 2270 kg. The only model released in aus is a 3lt petrol . Max power 136KW @ 5500 rpm and Max Torque 265Nm @ 4500rpm. If as someone has stated that there is a TD model available then it is a grey import.
Except for the fact that it is not as Ballsy as the Patrol or Cruiser I am more than happy with "Mr Bitchy"
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Reply By: Murfa - Tuesday, Dec 16, 2003 at 16:19

Tuesday, Dec 16, 2003 at 16:19
Hey there,
I own a 2002 challenger which I tow my mates boat with. The Challenger only comes in the 3lt petrol here in australia. My mates boat is about 20ft -A little larger then what you are intending on pulling, and it pulls it extremely easily. The Challenger, and pathfinders are extremely under rated as to what they can handle. You may find there are a few people who critisize these mid size wagons. All I can say from first hand experience, go for it.....You will be extremely happy with the challenger should you decide to go that direction.
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Follow Up By: Stewbag - Tuesday, Dec 16, 2003 at 17:29

Tuesday, Dec 16, 2003 at 17:29
But are they any good off road?
Cya
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Follow Up By: Murfa - Tuesday, Dec 16, 2003 at 18:28

Tuesday, Dec 16, 2003 at 18:28
Well,
I havn't ever towed anything off road with mine, so I can't answer that part of the question. As for off road performance, they travel exrtemely well, the only thing which I didn't really like was the IFS, but hey that seems to be on all new 4wd except patrols these days. But the IFS hasn't caused me any problems yet, and I've taken to some pretty rough places. I has a LSD standard in the front which works well, and I have fitted, Cooper ST tyres, rear ARB Air locker, and TJM XGS Heavy duty suspention - that isn't because I was worried about the vehicle, I jsut wanted the best from scratch when I brought it. I am yet to add a snorkel, bull bar - (only have nudge bar at the moment) and cargo barrier in the next few months with mayby a LR Fuel tank.

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Follow Up By: cookie - Tuesday, Dec 16, 2003 at 19:35

Tuesday, Dec 16, 2003 at 19:35
Murfa, what model challenger do you have? I didn't know any challenger came standard with an LSD in the front. My 98 has a LSD in the rear as standard.
In response to the main question, the guy I bought my challenger off towed an 18ft boat fully loaded on his once a year fishing expedition and said it handled it no problems. He had the suspension upgraded though because the standard suspension sagged noticeable with a full load and the boat in tow. I think you'll find that's the case for any new fourbie. Those without adjustable suspension anyway.
The vehicle is great on sand and would handle most moderate 4wd tracks easily. Not an extreme offroad vehicle but it's not meant to be. Nice to drive on road and a handy size for city carparks.

Cookie
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Follow Up By: macca - Tuesday, Dec 16, 2003 at 20:18

Tuesday, Dec 16, 2003 at 20:18
Stewbag. Mine has been off road and has not missed a beat. in fact.The pajero, Patrol and cruisers drivers I have been out with drop there chins when they see how it performs against the creme de creme
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Follow Up By: Murfa - Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003 at 15:41

Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003 at 15:41
Cookie,
I own a Septmeber 2002 challenger brought it brand new last year. As far as i was aware, all challengers from late 2000 - early 2002 came standard with LSD in the front. And Macca I would have to agree with your response on the capabilities of these vehicles, they are extremely under rated. There power to weight ratio is perfect, even when fully loaded. If any of you Challenger Drivers are in the Brisbane area anytime, feel free to contact me - keep up the good work and and lets sho some of these critics up.
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Follow Up By: cookie - Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003 at 18:35

Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003 at 18:35
Murfa, are you sure about the front LSD??? I checked on the Mitsubishi website and printed out the online brochure for the current model and only a rear LSD is standard.
On the 98 and early 2000 models it was an option, I have a few different reviews which say the same.
You could check by jacking both front wheels off the ground and spinning one by hand, if the other one spins in the same direction then you have an LSD, if it goes the opposite direction it’s a normal open diff.
I haven’t heard anything about a front LSD in the challenger so I am surprised? Nor any new 4WD for that matter. Most come with rear LSDs.

Cookie
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Reply By: macca - Tuesday, Dec 16, 2003 at 20:27

Tuesday, Dec 16, 2003 at 20:27
Just to reassure some of you blokes. The challenger is built on the triton chasis and since 2000 has had rear coils in lieu of leaf springs. thats my other 2 bobs worth.. time for a b****y cold one
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Reply By: Stewbag - Tuesday, Dec 16, 2003 at 21:44

Tuesday, Dec 16, 2003 at 21:44
mmmmmm i might have to have a test drive of one of these to.im in the market for a second hand 4wd,sounds ok so far.is there any changes over the model run or probs to look for?
Thanks
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Follow Up By: cookie - Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003 at 12:00

Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003 at 12:00
The only major change since they were first released in 1998 was the switch from rear leaf spring to rear coils in 2000 as mentioned by macca. I think also in 2000 the auto was updated to the mitsubishi smart box, can’t remember their trade name but the one that adapts to your driving style. Other than that just cosmetic changes and an overall increase in equipment levels the newer the model. The challenger basically came out as a wagon version of the triton. Over the years it has been gradually refined and equipment levels increased to keep up with other mid size fourbies. The engine hasn’t changed at all since it was released. Very economical and smooth engine and it well proven. Maybe a tad underpowered by today’s standard but no slouch by any means and you will appreciate the economy compared to other petrol V6 4WD’s. I have the power and torque curves from mitsubishi if you are interested.

I was looking for a 2nd hand 4wd a few months ago and after a lot of research decided on the challenger. I started out looking for a coil spring model but I soon noticed the earlier leaf springs models where up to 5 grand cheaper for an equivalent model. I started thinking the vehicles are basically identical except for the leaf springs and is a coil spring rear end really worth that difference in price, that would buy a lot of accessories. I took a leaf spring one for a drive and really 9 out of 10 people wouldn’t know the difference. The only time you notice it is sharp bumps like speed humps etc. And I’m intending to load mine up and go travelling so I figured the leaf springs are going to better for that. I ended up getting a 98 leaf spring model privately which already had a lot of accessories, heavy duty suspension, ARB steel bull bar, 6 stacker etc for 24 grand. The cheapest equivalent coil spring model I saw was around 30 grand. One thing you will notice is the difference in price between the LSD and non-LSD models. The base model has no LSD, there was an option pack that included LSD and cruise control. Then there is the top of the range LS model that comes with all the fruit. From my research the mitsubishi LSD is worth having and has a good lifespan.

Not really any problems to look for that I know of, except the normal use and abuse things to check for. The engine and running gear has been around in the triton for years so has been pretty well sorted.

Cookie
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Reply By: bill- Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003 at 11:26

Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003 at 11:26
Hi all
i am just in the process of ordering a new challenger, but i'm not to sure i want the tyres (255/70r16) that are primarily for use on sealed roads.
we do a bit of beach and exploring the hills sort of stuff driving so i'm a bit wary about those soft sidewalls. Any ideas would be much appreciated to what brand and size i could fit??? cheers
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Follow Up By: Murfa - Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003 at 15:51

Wednesday, Dec 17, 2003 at 15:51
Hey Bill,
I have the September 2002 Challenger, exactly the same as you have. i was thinking of trying the Pajero wheels and tyres on the vehicle, but just decided the keep the original size, and just put a more agressive tyre on. I ended up selecting the Cooper ST's and from rading most of the articles on this site, a large number of people will agree with me. The cooper ST'S are perfect for all round prefomance. I have used them on Frazer a 3 times, just reduced the presure to between 18-20psi depending on the sand, have found them great for road, sand, mud. they also come with an 80,000km warranty. If your in the Brisbane areas go to Fourby's at Marooka - Great prices.
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