4wd spare parts and maintenance

Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 14, 2012 at 14:37
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Dear 4WD owners,

I want to ask the opinions from you about the spare parts and maintenance of 4WD:

1 .Are the Landrover discovery TD5 spare parts more expensive than the Japanese one like Landcruiser or Patrol?

2.I heard the Landrover has higher frequency of problems/breakdown than the Japanese cars. Is that right?

3. Which one is the cheapest to run and maintain among them?

I really appreciate your opinion and experience. Thank you.

Sincerely,

Colonel

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Reply By: Member - mattywa85 - Tuesday, Feb 14, 2012 at 15:32

Tuesday, Feb 14, 2012 at 15:32
Hey Colonel,

my 2 cents worth,
I'm in the spare parts game for trucks and deal alot with mines with toyota's and some nissans, as far as parts for toyota's v Nissan the majority of the contractors or mines use Toyotas so parts for them are carried everywhere and there's a huge range of aftermarket alternatives,

i guess it depends where you want to head, If you stay local and have problems it wouldn't take much to get it fixed, but if you head to remote areas, the chances are there are landcruisers somewhere or someone that knows how to work on them

price wise, i wouldn't have a clue on the cost of servicing but from experience of the parts i've supplied to my customers, toyota parts tend to be cheaper
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Feb 14, 2012 at 16:20

Tuesday, Feb 14, 2012 at 16:20
Colonel

Your question is very wide.

I often maintain that my thirsty petrol Patrol is lower cost to run because petrol represents only 6% of running cost in first 5 years of operation , and it requires no maintenance an owner can't do.

So these costs are almost irrelevant compared to depreciation.

Perhaps you could narrow down your question to give some idea of age or likely cost range of the cars you might consider.

Some months ago I linked in a document shown Rovers and Jeeps post year 2000 were the most costly to maintain and have issues.
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Follow Up By: Life Member - esarby (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 14, 2012 at 18:53

Tuesday, Feb 14, 2012 at 18:53
I can certainly agree with the Jeep service costs. I returned from Wiluna and booked the Jeep in for it 12000 service. I waited while the service was done. Two Hours.

The breakdown was,

12000 Service $260.00.
Labor $300.00.
Shop supplies $38.00.
Oil 7 litres $117.00.
Octain Boost $16.00. (?) in a CRD.
Bugwash $12.00.

Total $773.00.

This relates to, A receptionist, A Sevice Advisor, Workshop Foreman, Machanics (?), Roadtest, and Receptionist, who gave me the account and swiped my C/Card.
When I questioned the cost I was told that it was normal for that service. I would hate to go back for a 25 or 40 thousand service. We now have the Jeep serviced by another machanic at half the cost.

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Follow Up By: Colonel T - Wednesday, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:55

Wednesday, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:55
Dear Robin,

Thanks for your reply. I have questions:

Is the 4.8 l better than the 4.5l? In what respect?
Is that a lot more economical running with LPG?
What is the fuel consumptionof 4.8l?
Is that more reliable than landcruiser or TD5?

Thank you for your reply.

Regards,

Colonel
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Feb 15, 2012 at 13:14

Wednesday, Feb 15, 2012 at 13:14
Hi Colonel

While built on the same basic chassis the GU Patrol 4800 was a major change
in 2001 going from push rods to twin overhead cam design and delivered
30% more power at 185kw, more than any of cruisers etc up till approx 2007.
Its probably one of the most reliable vehicles around, you just don't
see forums posts about it like the 3lt diesels Patrols etc.

It would be controversial to say its more reliable than (which ?) landcruiser
but there would be few dissagreements that its up there.

Its a less controlled engine than its rivals and can't run as lean which
in practise means a longer life and higher fuel consumption.

They use 17 lt/100km manual and 18 in the auto.

It is a more reliable than the TD5 which I have found plagued with sensor and
electrical issues which generally meant a trip back to service centre.


LPG is a different story and its success depends more on a good installation
than on the vehicle, so you get widely different opinons.

I have resisted gas conversion for years but may put one of my 4800's on gas
for hack work.

Recently in Victoria we have seen a major move up on the price of gas which makes it harder to justify.

For the last week approximate fuel prices have been --

Gas 75.9
ULP 133.9
Diesel 147.9

Never have I seen gas to ULP ratios of less than 2:1 before in Melbourne and this to me is the rough viability point.
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Follow Up By: Colonel T - Wednesday, Feb 15, 2012 at 15:26

Wednesday, Feb 15, 2012 at 15:26
Mr Robin Miller

Dear Robin,

Thank you for your comments. You seem very knowledgeable in 4WD and very patient. I want to ask my last questions in terms of drivability:

1. The TD5 is the easiest to drive and easiest to handle compared to Patrol or Landcruiser. Am I right?

2. I am a short person so Patrol or Landcruiser is hard for me to drive because I would not have good visibility. Am I right?

3. In terms if visibility I would rank the best one is TD5, second Landcruiser and third is Patrol. Am I right?

I really appreciate your comment. Thank you.

Sincerely,

Colonel.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Feb 15, 2012 at 16:19

Wednesday, Feb 15, 2012 at 16:19
Hi Colonel

As a general rule the Patrol is larger in the wheelbase and not as easy to manovere as the TD5.

Wether its easier to drive is a hard question to answer and depends on the circumstance, on long outback drives the Patrol is more stable and I find less tiring, but on tight twisty tracks the TD5 is better mostly.

Out of the box the 100 series Landcruiser and TD5 have better visibily than GU Patrol then follows the land cruiser Prado.

I found this an issue in Patrol - so I made up some 35mm high spacers for the seats which made it really good, and allows for significant under seat storage space.


Some of these things are tricky, and as I said above, depend on circumstances.

Looking from rear at a TD5 and a Patrol the Patrol is narrower at the top, wider at base and slightly lower. This is a great profile for getting thru bush.

I'm a bit sneaky sometimes and have a half fallen down tree on 1 track on our 4wd property.
The Patrol, because of its more triangular shape can get past but Land Cruisers / TD5 can't without real difficulty - I often stir up visitors with this little obstacle.
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Follow Up By: Rod W - Thursday, Feb 16, 2012 at 15:52

Thursday, Feb 16, 2012 at 15:52
Colonel,

Re your question "Is that a lot more economical running with LPG?". The only cheap thing with LPG is buying the gas. Consumption wise it is 20-25% less economical than on petrol, and then there is the equipment purchase and installation cost. Plus there is the big bulky gas tank that needs to go somewhere and will take up a lot of space.
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Reply By: Member - Bytemrk(VIC) - Tuesday, Feb 14, 2012 at 22:23

Tuesday, Feb 14, 2012 at 22:23
I drive a TD5 Discovery 2a - and I am quite happy with my service costs. Neither this vehicle or my previous Land Rover have let me down other than a flat tyre in my drive way - but that is because I make sure they are maintained properly.

I'm not sure what the Toyota service intervals are - but a TD5 Discovery is meant to be serviced every 12,000 (most will tell you 10,000)

This shows you what gets done: Maintenance Schedule

Pommy vehicles need to be serviced religiously and IMHO you need someone with Land Rover experience to do the job properly. Having a Land Rover serviced by Joes Garage down the road is like rolling a dice, Landy's are quirky and plenty of mechanics either have no idea what they are doing with them.. or simply don't want to do it right.
Dealers aregenerally the expensive solution... I use an independant Land Rover specialist that doesn't rip me off and looks after my vehicles well.

As said, particularly if you are planning or seriously remote travel, parts for a Toyota are probably more easily sourced - but there are still no guarantees of that either.

To get an accurate answer to your comparison - you are going to need someone with experience of both vehicles.... not so likely.

Maybe you could get a clearer idea by visiting specific Toyota , Nissan and Land Rover forums and asking the same questions of owners.

For Land Rovers I'd recommend AULRO

I suspect the Land Rover will not be the cheapest to run and maintain.... but then not many of the things in life I really enjoy are....

Good luck with it...
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