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Hi all

The time has come for me to move on from my 80 series. Now the question i have for you all is wat is the 80 series 4.5 petrol like on fuel consumption? Also whats fuel consumption like on the patrol petrol and the patrol 4.2 turbo diesel like?

Whast the pros and cons ppl are aware of for these cars?
What would u buy in this situation??

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Adam
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Reply By: 120scruiser (NSW) - Monday, Feb 20, 2012 at 21:14

Monday, Feb 20, 2012 at 21:14
Pajero 3.2 TD is hard to go past.
When I decide to update my TD auto 80 the Paj will be hard to pass by.
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Follow Up By: Kimba10 - Monday, Feb 20, 2012 at 22:36

Monday, Feb 20, 2012 at 22:36
Yeah have to agree with you Scott, while the prado is better in the rough stuff for the rear end flex off road compared to pajeros independent suspension all round, the 3.2 engine in that pajero is a pearler and out of all the turbo diesel engines in the 4 clyinder range it would be my choice, yes a tad noisier in the cabin (dont know about very current pajero) but they will pull all day, fantastic on fuel, plenty of get up and go. The only two issues I have heard about is the fuel filter is directly above starter motor and need to be extremely careful when changing it as any drop will end up in the starter and buggering it up, the other is the timing chain guide, it can wear down make the chain skip and well we know what happens to the engine if that happens, my neighbour has the starter issue but had the guide checked and all was ok. Apparantly it has a teflon bit on it which wheres down and is held on by pop rivet, if the teflon bit wears down it leaves the head of the pop rivet exposed and the chain grabs hold of it on its way around. Mitsi do have a modified bit ow for it... But still a great touring/tow vehicle.............
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Reply By: Kimba10 - Monday, Feb 20, 2012 at 21:15

Monday, Feb 20, 2012 at 21:15
Bit confused ?? ""Time to move on from 80 series"" but then you are asking what fuel is like for an 80 series ?? Are you moving on from an 80 series diesel/turbo diesel ??..............
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Follow Up By: 80 Series Adam - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 12:14

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 12:14
i currently have a 80 series 4.2 diesel, considering the 80 turbo diesel or 80 petrol or go to the other side wif the patroll in either diesel or petrol
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Reply By: Member - nick b - Monday, Feb 20, 2012 at 22:21

Monday, Feb 20, 2012 at 22:21
Q..... 80 series 4.5 petrol like on fuel consumption ... not great & not the power of the T.D ...

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Reply By: Wayne's 60 - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 02:10

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 02:10
Hey Adam,

The first question is WHY?? ............... ummmm ..... move on from the 80??

"What would u buy in this situation??" .......... another 80 ....... or do up the one I have.

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Wayne & Sally.
P.S. We have a standard 91 80 ................ Love that car!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Jack - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 07:29

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 07:29
I also have an (almost) standard '91 80 series diesel and it is irreplaceable, and indestructible. The number of people that have come up to me saying they wish they had have held onto theirs has surprised me. I'd hang onto it.

I went cold on Mitsubishi when they packed up and left Australia.

Just my thoughts.

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Follow Up By: Member - nick b - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 08:55

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 08:55
Jack : I think you find that mitsy's 4wd have never been built in aust !!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Jack - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 11:35

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 11:35
Thanks for that Nick. I had always thought that they were. I liked them as a vehicle, but thought spares may become a problem as time passed. May not be the problem I had thought it may be.
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Follow Up By: 80 Series Adam - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 12:17

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 12:17
WHY?? u ask simple the diesel is such a slug on the road,
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Follow Up By: Member - nick b - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 16:41

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 16:41
If you want to stay with a 80 , look for the last model before the 100 series turbo diesel ( latest up grade motor ) . We have a 100 series v8 petrol nice car but hungry for fuel . 17 /100 with tail wind.. 22- 25 / 100 when in a hurry loaded ...

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Reply By: Hairs & Fysh - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 06:42

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 06:42
Hi Adam,
I'm a little confused about your question,
Please let me know if this is right.
You have an 80 series diesel at the moment and you are contemplating buying an 80 petrol, well they are a hell of a lot thirstier than a diesel, I once borrowed a petrol 80(Manual) to tow a horse float to pick up a pony for the kids, couldn't get over how much fuel it chewed through, this was before I purchased my current 1HD-T 80.
Sorry can't speak of what a Patrol on petrol or diesel is like on fuel economy or power, but would guess being the same size motors as the 80 it would have to be about the same.

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Reply By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 09:42

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 09:42
Hi Adam

Its getting hard to find strong chassis live axle cars these days with low centre of gravity and reasonably tough , there is really only 1 exception - the GU series Patrols which in 4800 petrol made up till last year.

Some idea of your budget would be good.

80 series 4.5 petrol is around 18lt/10km

Patrol 4800 petrol is around 17lt/100km

Patrol 4.2 diesel is around 12lt/100km

While the 80 series petrol was a great car is simply getting old now.

The Patrol GU 4.2 TD diesel is often considered one of the best touring 4wds
ever made.
The Patrol petrol 4800 however was a masterstroke and has everthing going for it except fuel consumption , it was very strong tough, bigger diff bigger brakes , the most stable of all , and widely available.

I can see the merits of the its GU 4.2TD diesel cousin but this is a very under powered car, with some issues in the NVH department..

Even this morning there was a red one looking like it was just out of the show room, except for its 3 inch exhaust next to me at the lights , overfueled like many are to get some power and the black smoke annoyed me so I put foot down gently and without fuss pulled well away in the 4800 GU 7 I was driving
thinking the petrol is well worth paying for.

Landcruiser V8 petrol - might be another consideration , but it hard to go past the GU patrols with the right engine.





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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 10:14

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 10:14
Depends on what your budget is.

If you want great power, great economy, great suspension travel (more than a GU Patrol) an all in a safe and modern package, then the Cruiser 200 V8 twin turbo diesel with KDSS has no peers :)

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Follow Up By: Member - Scrubby (VIC) - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 21:48

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 21:48
G`day Captain,

"If you want great power, great economy, great suspension travel (more than a GU Patrol) an all in a safe and modern package,then the Cruiser 200 V8 twin turbo diesel with KDSS has no peers :) "

True, but no bloody good on the desert, particularly in the wet.

I am a 60 series owner so my knowledge of the 200 is limited.
However haven traveled with one across a large part of our inland tracks in 2010 I do know that if water/mud/sand gets into the alternator, which is very low down on the r/h front, the vehicle just stops.
No alternator = no battery charge = no computer = NO GO = very expensive retrieval = very,very expensive repairs.

Even if I owned a 200 series I would still use the old 60 for any outback/off road travel, no fancy electronic gizmos to stuff up and leave you stranded.

Just MHO,

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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Wednesday, Feb 22, 2012 at 00:12

Wednesday, Feb 22, 2012 at 00:12
So let me get this right, you would rather travel remote in a ~25 year old vehicle than a new one because the alternator is supposedly low? Did you know the alternator is about the same height as the legendary reliable 1HZ motor (yep, had one of them too).

I had the alternator go on my 80 series many times. All that happens is the brushes wear out due to the gritty water acting as griding paste. Had plenty of practise and could change the brushes in under an hour. Haven't done it on the 200 but apart from a few more bits of plastic in the way, so harder to get at, seems about the same.

As for electric bits "stuffing up", how many 200's have you heard of stopping because of an electrical failure? Perhaps more rumour and scaremongering than fact?

Each to their own I suppose but I know what vehicle I would rather travel in the desert with :)

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Reply By: Ozrover - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 12:40

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 12:40
Gerday Adam,

After I drowned my old 80 series standard 1hz I got a 80 series GXL 4500, chalk & cheese really, auto (Mrs loves it) power to burn.

I've put decent suspension on it, a Long Ranger sub tank (166L) total fuel capacity is around 260/270 lts, it gets between 22L/100 to 30 L/100 sand etc... so at worst economy I've still got nearly 1000km range.

I've also put extractors & a 2.5" exhaust, XROC Bbar, lightforce Blitz240s, full length roof rack, swing out spare wheel carrier etc...

So far its cost approx' $16-18 000 (moved a bunch of stuff over from the old 80) to get it set up this way, so pretty good value all around!

I will be looking for a town car in the next 12 months or so & will probably look for a decent 100 series 4.7 V8, but I will be keeping the 80!

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Follow Up By: eighty matey - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 17:02

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 17:02
You make a good point about the value you can get with a petrol 80 series.

There are plenty of petrol 80 series for sale, in good nick and around 200,000km on the clock, for around $10,000. A turbo diesel 80 series , same kms, will cost about $15,000. Straight up there's $5,000 worth of difference in fuel costs, which is a lot of kms.

I'm a big fan of my 80 series with it's 1HZ. Does the speed limit most of the time, doesn't cost a fortune to run and it's off road ability is up there with the best. Easy to fix and parts are relatively easy to come by.

Hoo roo,

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Follow Up By: Bernie C - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 19:38

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 19:38
The trouble with upgrading to a Pootrol is just that, it's a Missin.

Sorry "eighty matey" but if you can find a 80 series turbo diesel with around 200,000 km let me know unless it is a busted piece of junk and the reason it is dearer is because the resale is higher and has got nothing to do about recouping fuel costs. The running costs including fuel and services and maintainence is roughly about the same over a period of years.

I have a 80 series with a 1hd-ft engine pulling 150+hp at all 4 wheels and still getting around 12Mpg on the highway 14/15Mpg towing a 20ft caravan.

Have a look through www.offroad80s.com forum, every type of 80 series there is and every mod that has been done and then some.You don't have to join to read but you do to ask questions.

A standard 1hz is flaming awful but get into the turbo engine models and then start getting, larger exhaust, redo fuel pump timing and adjustment, add an intercooler and it will turn into a really great vehicle and far better than the 4.2 oiler engine Pootro.

That's my unbiased opinion, anyway.
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Follow Up By: eighty matey - Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 19:51

Tuesday, Feb 21, 2012 at 19:51
We used to have a few mates with GU and GQ Patrols but they've disappeared.

When we started to do more touring than quick weekend trips the Patrols disappeared. For no particular reason our trips are nearly all 80 series' now - petrol, 1HZ and turbo diesel. The most travelled is a petrol with over 500,000km but they've all done 300,000km and over.

They're a great touring vehicle. They have outstanding reliability and they're a really robust off road vehicle. They'll take you across the desert, up to The Cape and bring you back, in comfort.

I'm a big fan of my 80 series.

eighty matey
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