Is this a roadtrain?

Submitted: Thursday, Mar 08, 2012 at 23:49
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Yesterday ,near the Dike of New Orleans Bay(WA) turn off I saw a 4ton truck with a 5th wheeler ,towing a car with a dolly.
So you have an articulated vehicle towing another load,is it a road train or at least a multi combination?
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Reply By: ross - Thursday, Mar 08, 2012 at 23:50

Thursday, Mar 08, 2012 at 23:50
Oops that should be Duke ,not Dike LOL
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Reply By: Member - Lachy T - Friday, Mar 09, 2012 at 09:27

Friday, Mar 09, 2012 at 09:27
I'm not sure where the classification on it sits, but i'm pretty sure if you are towing 2 articulations you need either a B-Double license or a road train license. I sure hope he didn't have a standard license.
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Follow Up By: Honky - Friday, Mar 09, 2012 at 10:22

Friday, Mar 09, 2012 at 10:22
I would like to see the wording about towing on their insurance policy?

HOnky
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Reply By: Member - Bucky - Friday, Mar 09, 2012 at 10:54

Friday, Mar 09, 2012 at 10:54
Who really cares, did you get a foto ?

Cheers
Bucky
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Follow Up By: ross - Friday, Mar 09, 2012 at 11:03

Friday, Mar 09, 2012 at 11:03
No ,camera was in the back and I was running late. The only other thing I noticed was that it had Queensland plates.

Ive heard the kiwis can tow a van with a small boat trailer at the back,but Ive never seen anything like this on Aust roads.
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Follow Up By: Ray - Friday, Mar 09, 2012 at 14:22

Friday, Mar 09, 2012 at 14:22
FOTO ??????????
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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Friday, Mar 09, 2012 at 17:28

Friday, Mar 09, 2012 at 17:28
Yeah, you know, point ya box brownie at something, say "smile" and press the button..........lol
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Reply By: Member - Royce- Friday, Mar 09, 2012 at 15:17

Friday, Mar 09, 2012 at 15:17
I found this one with a web search:

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Follow Up By: Member - Royce- Friday, Mar 09, 2012 at 15:18

Friday, Mar 09, 2012 at 15:18
In the US....
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Follow Up By: ross - Friday, Mar 09, 2012 at 16:33

Friday, Mar 09, 2012 at 16:33
Thats more or less what I saw ,except the vehicle at the back had all 4 wheels on the ground and was being towed with a draw bar.
I said Dolly but techinically,I dont think thats what it was .
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Follow Up By: kevmac....(WA) - Friday, Mar 09, 2012 at 18:24

Friday, Mar 09, 2012 at 18:24
Beats me why with a dual cab tow vehicle why you would want to tow another vehicle behind ya 5th wheeler????.......or am I just plain stupid?...... why not get a bus ??
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Reply By: kev.h - Friday, Mar 09, 2012 at 18:38

Friday, Mar 09, 2012 at 18:38
Saw similar at Kakadu year before last - F350 towing a 5th wheeler and a 16/18 ft boat behind Qld rego
Talking to him at the camp fire he said the rig was registered as a medium combination and needed MC licence (was not a "b" double as the last trailer was not on a turntable) It was treated the same as a semi-trailer towing a dog trailer the 5th wheeler had to have engineering to ensure the chassis was strong enough to tow the boat and the whole rig had to have an engineers certificate
Kev
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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Friday, Mar 09, 2012 at 20:01

Friday, Mar 09, 2012 at 20:01
MC licence is a B Double & Roadtrain licence.
A multi-combination (MC) licence is required to drive any B-double or road train.

Compulsory requirements for an MC licence

There are some compulsory requirements that must be met before obtaining an MC licence. You must have held a heavy rigid (HR) or heavy combination (HC) licence for a period totalling at least one year. You also need to undertake a compulsory training and assessment course. The course must be approved by Roads and Maritime Services (replacing Roads and Traffic Authority) and conducted by training providers accredited by Roads and Maritime Services (replacing Roads and Traffic Authority).

So the vehicle would be classed as B Double or road train, Which means his rego would be for one of these.
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Follow Up By: kev.h - Sunday, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:55

Sunday, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:55
Hi Dave

MC also includes HC with trailer so can get away with HC rego

In my first post Registration should have read HEAVY combination not MEDIUM combination

All classes up to and including HR are for 2 items (a prime mover and trailer - be it a car and box trailer or 8t truck with 9t trailer - the class depends on weight and rego is according to weight of the prime mover) I don't see it fits any of these classes

HC is your normal semi-trailer -single trailer (the lowest combination)

The only class without a weight specification is MC

MC (multi-combination) includes
•a class HC motor vehicle (where the first trailer is on a turntable towing an additional trailer)
•a B-double (Two trailers where both trailers are on turntables)
•a road train (Where multi trailers (3/5)are towed by draw bar - not all trailers on turntables)

F350 towing a 5th wheeler Could be registered as normal - but with the additional trailer it is a licence requirement to hold an MC licence (due to three items) does this change the the rego statis of the prime mover? or is it registered as normal ??

If it has to be registered as MC one of the three options above it would not be worth it (probably cheaper to buy a new boat when you needed it) considering without the boat its car rego and car licence

Sounds like a lot of trouble for little benifit to me and think of the insurance nightmare

Cheers Kev
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Reply By: blown4by - Saturday, Mar 10, 2012 at 17:15

Saturday, Mar 10, 2012 at 17:15
The towing vehicle does not become a Prime Mover until its GVM exceeds 8 tonne however I would say the combination as described is illegal in WA.
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Follow Up By: Bush Wanderer - Sunday, Mar 11, 2012 at 01:12

Sunday, Mar 11, 2012 at 01:12
Best I have come across in wa is a gu patrol with 5th wheel caravan, and a boat and trailer attached to the rear of the fifth wheeler.

It was certainly a sight.

He had a road train license.....not sure what the correct license code was though.

Brett....
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Reply By: Member - *Rusty* - Sunday, Mar 18, 2012 at 00:37

Sunday, Mar 18, 2012 at 00:37
What do you think this is classed as? haha

Saw this at the Overlander Roadhouse in WA, June last year.


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Follow Up By: hamo - Sunday, Mar 18, 2012 at 05:45

Sunday, Mar 18, 2012 at 05:45
Id class that as overloaded & dangerous

Hamo
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Follow Up By: ross - Sunday, Mar 18, 2012 at 09:19

Sunday, Mar 18, 2012 at 09:19
Too right. Thats an accident waiting to happen
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