The control of the Domestic Dog?

Submitted: Thursday, Mar 15, 2012 at 22:00
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I'm a Lover of Dogs Overall,....But to my dismay a local hobby farmer in our district has had nothing but trouble with domestic dogs that have gone wild and venture out at night from a national park close by and have attacked their alpaches, and a about 60 sheep,in the last 6mths, This Guy has spent b,, ,ig Bucks on protective fencing, and is at wits end as these mongrels seem to have a continuous instinct to find a way in!,..I'm talking 2mtr fences with a barb across the top, and in the ground 600ml!...The only way these bastards are getting in is over the top, as we walked around and did close inspection today, theres nothing going underneath,.. incredible situation if these dogs are
capable of jumping better than 2.5 mtrs,...The local parks &wildlife have been involved, but have only had camera identification,a little trapping, andBlah .Blah.

When you pay inexcess of a million Dollars for your property, as a hobby farm its a frustrating thing to have this happen , ..So not sure what control needs to be looked at here,.. Different areas require different aproaches i think??,..But its Definitley a problem.

Cheers Axle
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Reply By: Bazooka - Thursday, Mar 15, 2012 at 22:17

Thursday, Mar 15, 2012 at 22:17
It's not uncommon Axle and you'd think a 2m fence would do the job but the world record jump by a kelpie is 2.95m so I guess jumping/climbing a 2m fence and losing a bit of skin isn't much of a deterrent for a few desperate mongrels. Baiting and shooting are used for control but the problem is these wild dogs are very cunning.
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Follow Up By: Axle - Thursday, Mar 15, 2012 at 22:33

Thursday, Mar 15, 2012 at 22:33
Guess.. your right Bazooka,.. Inbreds, desperate, and looking for food.




Cheers Axle
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Follow Up By: Steve D1 - Friday, Mar 16, 2012 at 08:03

Friday, Mar 16, 2012 at 08:03
My old Kelpie used to clear my 6Ft colourbond fence without even touching it

geez she could jump. Also managed to push up the roller garage door too.

Steve

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Follow Up By: Member - Royce- Friday, Mar 16, 2012 at 08:12

Friday, Mar 16, 2012 at 08:12
A couple of 'nitpicky' points.

Unless the fence is bird, rabbit, or pig netting the dogs will easily jump through it. It is extremely unlikely they would be jumping 2m. The high jumping kelpies use a wooden wall to support them as they go.

They are not 'inbred' ... inbreeding produces runty animals. The problem is that they are crossbred, so have hybrid vigour which leads to big dogs.

If they are domestic then they won't be coming from a national park, they will be grouping with other local dogs and coming from the hobby farms. They shouldn't be too hard to find.

If they are feral, then you have different problem. A few all nighters with spotlights, poisoning and trapping is called for.

Alpaches? hehe.
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Follow Up By: 944runner - Friday, Mar 16, 2012 at 08:49

Friday, Mar 16, 2012 at 08:49
I had a Kelpie X Staffy at one point and she would jump our 2m colour bond fence no issues. She was a small little dog too but boy could she jump.
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Follow Up By: 305 - Friday, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:28

Friday, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:28
i heard from National Parks Officers, that there is an increase of wild dogs in the brindies (CAnberra) and its becoming a problem for sheep farmers.

on the way to wee jasper you can see hanged dogs on trees. Its a problem and its to do with people you leave their dogs behind or choose to do this and the dogs go feral.

Its sad - i have dogs and will never take them to any N.P.

Try camping at Wadbilliga N.P. I used to and not just don't.
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Friday, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:55

Friday, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:55
Plenty of dogs can leap 6 ft or more.
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Reply By: Member - Longtooth (SA) - Thursday, Mar 15, 2012 at 22:19

Thursday, Mar 15, 2012 at 22:19
The fix for this is called 1080.

Longtooth
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Follow Up By: Axle - Thursday, Mar 15, 2012 at 22:36

Thursday, Mar 15, 2012 at 22:36
I Know Long Tooth,... But theres Big control over that now isn't there??



Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Member - Longtooth (SA) - Thursday, Mar 15, 2012 at 22:41

Thursday, Mar 15, 2012 at 22:41
Yes Axle, but circumstances dictate how controls can be interpreted. Further investigation would not be out of the question. I presume this property is not in a residental or urban area.

Longtooth
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Follow Up By: Axle - Thursday, Mar 15, 2012 at 23:01

Thursday, Mar 15, 2012 at 23:01
Thats The Problem Longtooth, its Boundary is actually industrial subdivision.



Axle.
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Thursday, Mar 15, 2012 at 23:36

Thursday, Mar 15, 2012 at 23:36
if hes got a farm it must be zoned rural and thus can use 1080

very popular because it just works other options include traps and 22/250
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Reply By: The other Norm C (WA) - Thursday, Mar 15, 2012 at 23:09

Thursday, Mar 15, 2012 at 23:09
Hello Axle
Not knowing where the property is,but would there be a professorial Dogger
in the area? Failing that he would have genuine reason and or need
to obtain a firearm and resolve the issue.Or he could approach a sporting shooters or hunting for conservation club in his area
and arrange for a few trusted members to organise a cull
Norm
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Reply By: Dave(NSW) - Thursday, Mar 15, 2012 at 23:11

Thursday, Mar 15, 2012 at 23:11
Axel,
Try electrifying the top of the fence with that tape they use in stock paddocks.
Cheers Dave
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Follow Up By: Axle - Thursday, Mar 15, 2012 at 23:19

Thursday, Mar 15, 2012 at 23:19
G/Dave, ...Thought of that , But under the control of property manager who i think is justl loosing the plot totally...LOL. Good ideas just seem to get brushed aside.

Cheers Axle.
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Reply By: workhorse - Friday, Mar 16, 2012 at 08:51

Friday, Mar 16, 2012 at 08:51
I live in pretty wild mountain country and my property is also bordered by NP. I have 2 Maremma dogs, got them as 6 week old pups and since having them, they have pushed all the wild dogs back into the deeper parts of the bush. My dogs roam the property (only 200acres) and wild dogs are opportunistic and end up moving to areas where there is easier pickings.
Hope this helps, as I understand the problems in controlling wild dogs.
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Reply By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Friday, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:00

Friday, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:00
G'day Axle, doesnt seem to add up..assuming the fence is netting or other that is
dog proof..there arent many dogs that will jump it. If any do, the evidence would be hanging on the barb wire. Foxes, & some dogs will climb a non vertical fence & can climb stays if they have a flat surface.
I suspect access is by other venues..under gates, up drain pipes etc or utilising
material close to the fence. Assuming the area is of some acreage, a dog or fox could even be a permanent resident if suitable cover exists..........oldbaz.
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Reply By: blown4by - Saturday, Mar 17, 2012 at 20:12

Saturday, Mar 17, 2012 at 20:12
If the dogs cannot be shot on sight, lace a dead sheep carcass with Lucijet. That'll fix em. Oh yeah and when the local vet rings up to ask what the poison is tell him not to waste his time because once that stuff is in their gut they are dead meat.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Sunday, Mar 18, 2012 at 16:55

Sunday, Mar 18, 2012 at 16:55
We haven't been able to buy Lucijet in WA for many years. Is it still allowed to be sold in your state?

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