Prado Pajero

Submitted: Tuesday, Mar 20, 2012 at 19:11
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Looking at buying a prado or pajero diesel 2009 model on. Prefer an auto and tend to use our 4x4, have done CSR, simpson, etc. Have had Troopies and I realise that these cars are not in the class of a troopy, but we a getting a little older and looking for a bit more comfort. Any feed back from owners regarding ability off road, reliability if maintained to log book, fuel consumption if towing 1.5 t camper. Any experience with auto box problems? Thanks in advance. dennis
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Reply By: Steve M1 (NSW) - Tuesday, Mar 20, 2012 at 19:29

Tuesday, Mar 20, 2012 at 19:29
gee Den, this'll get em excited ;-))


Can't quite help as I opted for the last of the 120 Prados because it suited me more than the 150. Have certainly heard good things about the Paj though - mainly extra power but the prado will comfortably do you and for reliability, pretty hard to beat. Also, try Pradopoint website. Everything you need to know on there.

Good luck. Can't go wrong from what I've gathered.
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Follow Up By: Steve M1 (NSW) - Tuesday, Mar 20, 2012 at 20:00

Tuesday, Mar 20, 2012 at 20:00
Not directly relavent but an interesting thread: no. 87773
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Reply By: MrBitchi (QLD) - Tuesday, Mar 20, 2012 at 20:02

Tuesday, Mar 20, 2012 at 20:02
And of course, lob over to the Pajero club forum for all things Pajero :)

The paj auto is bullet proof ;)
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Reply By: Member - WillyWish (WA) - Tuesday, Mar 20, 2012 at 20:17

Tuesday, Mar 20, 2012 at 20:17
Hey Dennis

I had a 2008 Pajero NS Auto diesel and just swapped over to a Prado 150 Series GXL diesel.

The Paj is a great tourer without doubt. Only ever had 1 issue with it and that was the DPF warning and going into limp mode as a result. As this was a day after a service I suspect the wrong engine oil was used. The Paj is a very capable mid range off-roader and super for towing as many will note. I never tracked fuel consumption per se, however I'd think it is pretty good hence why so many people choose it as a tow vehicle.

I've only done 5,000km on the Prado so far and not alot of towing. I love the ride of the Prado, but I admit I am riding on aftermarket suspension and airbags and beautiful Coopers rubber. Power is a little disappointing, I'd probably say that the Prado is a little underpowered, I'll probably chip it to fix that issue. The build quality is good, no issues so far. Fuel consumption seems as good, if not better than the NS pajero. Love the standard 150 litre capacity. The prado also looks a nicer 4b (to me anyway). Love the range of aftermarket accessories.

All in all, two pretty similar vehicles. Prado more $ but also better resale.

Good luck.
Will.

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Follow Up By: NTVRX - Wednesday, Mar 21, 2012 at 17:59

Wednesday, Mar 21, 2012 at 17:59
The original post was "I am considering a 2009...." No mention of the 2008. Out of interest I have a 2009 NTVRX auto Diesel & it is fantastic. The best touring vehicle I have ever owned. I tow a full van 19'6" Paramount and sit on the posted speed limit without a problem,heaps of torque,sits on the road beautifully,good brakes & I can drive it in straight auto (Yes, in overdrive) or I can move the selector over to manual & drive it like a manual. A very easy comfortable vehicle to drive & the 5yr & 10 year warranties relieves the mental pressure of "What if"!!! I get 7.9 to 8.3 sitting on 100K/pH towing the van & 10 to 11 K/pL w/out the van. The only hiccup is the opening rear door...with some hitches it can be a pain but with a spare wheel lift (Most dealers will do this for you for free) and changing the coupling from on top of the A frame to underneath I can open my rear door fully. There is no comparision between a Troopy & a NT Pajero....completely different vehicles....that would be like comparing a Kenworth to a UD!!!!
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Follow Up By: Steve M1 (NSW) - Wednesday, Mar 21, 2012 at 18:01

Wednesday, Mar 21, 2012 at 18:01
oi Willy - underpowered???? You wanna try moving from a Defender (Fred Flintstone model) to a Prado. I thought I was driving a bloody Ferrari - LOL. Actually, I chipped it with a Steinbauer and put decent suspension/shocks on, as most Toyotas are a bit crap in that regard. Always liked the Pajero's on road manners but was swayed by less clearance and Prado's reliability track record. - There you go: look what you made me say - that's put the mockers on it.

btw, the 120 has the same 180L capacity as the Troopy, a bigger aperture (opening to you) at the back door and easier 2nd battery install.
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Reply By: andoland - Tuesday, Mar 20, 2012 at 20:33

Tuesday, Mar 20, 2012 at 20:33
I can't comment on the Pajero because I've never had one, but I do have a 150 series Prado. Last year we did a 10,500km trip from central Qld across to WA, up the CSR, down the Tanami, Binns Track, etc, back home and it did not miss a beat. Mine is manual not auto and we were packed to the hilt (wife and 2 kids) but not towing. We averaged under 13l/100km for the entire trip and under 14 l/100km for the length of the CSR.
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Reply By: Wilko (Parkes NSW) - Tuesday, Mar 20, 2012 at 21:01

Tuesday, Mar 20, 2012 at 21:01
Hi Dennis,

IMHO you would be better off with the Prado, only because of the country your looking to go to. The prado is better offroad then the Pajero but the Pajero is so far infront on road (or formed dirt roads).

You wont have a prob with either auto as long as the maintenance is kept up.

Cheers Wilko
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Follow Up By: patsproule - Wednesday, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:39

Wednesday, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:39
Id argue from a fair bit of experience punting our 06 DID Pajero around against a couple of 120 Prados in the group that with (standard from about 04 onwards - optional on the 120) traction control a Pajero is easily on par with the Prado off-road.
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Follow Up By: NTVRX - Wednesday, Mar 21, 2012 at 18:09

Wednesday, Mar 21, 2012 at 18:09
On what do you base that uneducated post on? Have you ever read Action 4X4 Magazine when that mob tested Patrol,Discovery6,L/cruiser,Prado & Pajero driving the vehicles in all types of terrain. The $87,000 Disco beat them all until a water crossing in far Nth QLD stopped it in it's tracks...Did Not Finish....the winner....T/D L/Cruiser 200 series.....Next the mighty Pajero 3.2 auto diesel...Next....3 Litre Pootrol.....Prado T/D....DNF....fatal injury....broken front suspension on a mountain climb up a steep & rocky track....towed back to Toyota Land on the back of a Isuzu..tilt Tray
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Follow Up By: Wilko (Parkes NSW) - Wednesday, Mar 21, 2012 at 20:16

Wednesday, Mar 21, 2012 at 20:16
Sorry NTVRX,

But having traveled over 750,000 km (yes that's almost 100000 km/year) in 8 years in a Prado and a Pajero over all types of terrain (including trips down the CSR and simo in both) would make me highly educated on which is the better vehicle.

IMHO the Prado is the better vehicle offroad (In low range), Not by much but better still. Onroad (Tar) formed dirt and outback tracks (Oodnadatta and such) The Pajero comes out the winner and by a considerable margin. The Prado just cant keep up

These opinions are from extensive use so yes I do know what im talking about.

Cheers Wilko
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Reply By: skulldug - Tuesday, Mar 20, 2012 at 21:39

Tuesday, Mar 20, 2012 at 21:39
DZ,

I have owned three Paj and one 150. The 150 is better off road but only after $3k of mods to improve power and suspension. Service from Mr Toyota is non existent which is not a problem except if it's a warranty issue.

Changing from a Troopy will be a treat. You will be be able to do cool things like accelerate! :)

Skull
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Reply By: Giffo65 - Tuesday, Mar 20, 2012 at 22:46

Tuesday, Mar 20, 2012 at 22:46
I have a 2005 Paj DID auto and love it,the only issue was the rear independant axles are to short, and when towing when the suspention drops as the car goes up they pull the oil seal and leak oil all over the front of camper you are towing as we were.the fix was about 500 bucks with axles a few MMs longer.Other than that "Love that car "The missus likes to drive it better than the Subaru Outback that is our other car.
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Follow Up By: patsproule - Wednesday, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:41

Wednesday, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:41
It's not that the axles are too short. It's a design fault with the companion shaft retaining springs. Maybe you got "done" as it should have been fixed under warranty - it's a known design fault and there is an MM service bulletin out on them. 06 onwards had the revised part and shouldn't be a problem. More info at the pajeroclub forums.
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Follow Up By: Giffo65 - Thursday, Mar 22, 2012 at 20:26

Thursday, Mar 22, 2012 at 20:26
Sounds like I got scammed, because thats the info the mechanic at the diff place told me.I was just,I mean just out of the warranty due to Ks.I will put that one in lessons learned,still like the car though.
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Follow Up By: MrBitchi (QLD) - Friday, Mar 23, 2012 at 08:54

Friday, Mar 23, 2012 at 08:54
The official fix is new companion shafts, but they are the same length as the original. They have a larger circlip fitted to the inner end.
You weren't scammed, just the fix wasn't explained correctly :)
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Follow Up By: MrBitchi (QLD) - Friday, Mar 23, 2012 at 08:55

Friday, Mar 23, 2012 at 08:55
Oh, sorry, but as Pat says it should have been a warranty claim...
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Reply By: Member DZ- Wednesday, Mar 21, 2012 at 08:34

Wednesday, Mar 21, 2012 at 08:34
Thanks for your replies. Sounds like a close thing with Prado a possible nose in front. Thanks again, dennis.
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Follow Up By: Member - Paul B (WA) - Wednesday, Mar 21, 2012 at 15:51

Wednesday, Mar 21, 2012 at 15:51
4 months ago I replaced a 98 build 90 series Prado with a 07 build NS Pajero having ascertained most of the points above and paid around $10k less than for a similar aged 120 series Prado. Very happy with decision at this early stage.

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Reply By: Dazmit - Thursday, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:09

Thursday, Mar 22, 2012 at 11:09
I was looking between 120 Prado and Pajero a few months ago.

What put me off the 120 Prado was the injector issue (pages and pages on Prado point) and that once out of the 3 year warranty Toyota don't want to know you.
Pajero - the 2009 NT model is heapa quieter than the earlier NS and more powerful if you get the MY10 (late 2009) onwards than Mitsu deleted the DPF so no issues with that.
You can pick up a newer Pajero ie late 2009 / 2010 still under it's 5 year warranty for less $$$ , lower mileage and more features than a 2008 120 Prado which is out of warranty and may require injector replacement at your cost.

Cheers

Darryl
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