Hydrogen Injection !!!!!

I have also heard that Pigs do actually fly and that Hyclones work.

Hydrogen suits internal combustion engines very well and it runs well - if you ran it like LPG it would be a great fuel.

The issue is where the Hydrogen comes from - at present it basically needs to be created by electricity. Hydro electricity or nuclear or solar/green - no issues however the systems referred to in the original post normal generate it by electrolyses with power from the car alternator and the hydrogen is fed into the engine like LPG fumigation with a diesel.

The problem is that physics laws means that energy cannot created or destroyed and as such the engine will have to burn more energy to turn the alternator (extra load) than will be released from the hydrogen when it is burnt - each process in the chain looses energy through heat which is lost.

However hydrogen fumigation with hydrogen stored in a bottle will work just as LPG fumigation works - the issue is where does the hydrogen come from - has to be made as it does not normally exist in a free state.

Garry

I think the system he is talking about uses a electrical system to Hydrolise the water splitting it into Hydrogen and Oxygen.

I'd say the amount of energy used to split the water into it's components would far outweigh any increase in power.

Hi john, a few years ago i built a hydrogen system for my 80 series petrol gas land cruiser. It consisted of a 1 litre plastic container, a pair of extruded platinum plates inside the container wired through a switch to the auxillary battery. Add 1 litre of water, 2 tea spoons of carb soda and when you turned it on it looked like a glass of salvital it bubbled that hard. I then ran a hose to the intake just before the throttle body. My biggest problem was controlling the power consumption. It would start of using about 3 amps and after 10 minutes it would be pulling 20 amps. I do believe it made a difference to the performance and i would only turn it on when towing my caravan up a big hill. i then bought a turbo diesel cruiser and went no further with it. I believe this technology should be explored further and i have heard of them being fitted locally to large semi trailers. Who would have thought when you spend 700 thousand on a brand new New Holland header it will run on chicken bleep . A mate just bought one and it has 2 fuel tanks, 1 diesel, one blue fuel which is basically liquid fertilizer. We need more people to think outside the square a bit. The govt will never support it because how do they tax water, if all the vehicles ran on water there would be nothing in it for them. I read that the first ever internal combustion engine ran on hydrogen, not sure if its true but who knows. cheers mm

Now I'm not sure what gas was produced but many years (like about 30+...lol) ago a guy drove into a workshop where I was employed at the time. He had an early Landrover, from memory about a series 2 or 2a. Anyway, mounted on the front he had a large cylindrical contraption that apparently used charcoal in some manner to produce a gas that ran this vehicle. May not have been hydrogen, it was way too long and too many stubbies ago but according to him it worked well you just had to camp now and then and collect the charcoal from your camp fire.

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Pop

John,
I know someone in Brisbane and by that I do know them well.

He made his own generator and ran it on the engine.

The end result was a fail. At least he tried it and will never wonder about the end result.

And no you haven't opened a can of worms you just seek a result. From the info supplied you can gather your own conclusion.

RA.

Yes this has been discussed in various places, my understanding of the issues are thus.

Yes there is the problem in the net loss in energy due to the energy required to generate the hydrogen.

What we need to understand is fuel is an energy storage medium, it has to be generated, most of the fuels we now use were generated over a long period and are very energy dense...any way.

There is the problem of generating sufficient hydrogen on a continuous basis to be usefull in a reactor small enough to be practical....remember the water needs to be carried too

There is the problem of despensing the hydrogen and metering it.......to be of any real use the hydrogen needs to be generated in a consistent way and in volumes that meet needs.
This is all very problematic in the simple systems, because they run at very low preasures and have no capacity for storage.

If the hydrogen generated is controlled by varying the plate currents, the generation and passage of the gas is not immediate and thus it will lag demand.....and people complain about turbo lag???

The coal/timber/rubbish gasifacation systems used during the war are a very different prospect....during the war they were very crude.....there has been a lot of work done on them since, If done well it is a very very clean and efficient way of burning stuff, particularly waste.......but they are not all that well siuted to mobile use.

What we should be doing is using waste gasification to burn all sorts of rubbish and generate electricity.........but no one in government seems interested.

cheers

Hi John,

Now that all the "experts" have had their say let me give you the facts.

I have a hydrogen system on our 1HZ with an aftermarket turbo in our 80 series and have had for about 18 mths. It was sold to me as an experimental set up, not "plug & play" and it took me a while to get it figured out.

On the first trip, day one, I got an improvement of 17% and that continued for 3 weeks. I even did one day with it on and followed the next day with it off then back on the following day. I continued to get almost exactly 17% improvement.

BUT, it is something that you must be prepared to fiddle with to keep it performing well.
In the last month or so I noticed the 17% become 5% so I flushed the set up according the instructions and I expect it to return to 17%. I also have hope to reach 20% on our next trip in September.

It is true that the alternator producing 30 amps uses more power than the hydrogen produces but that is irrevalent. It is the presence of hydrogen (and a bit of extra oxygen) that causes more complete burning of ANY fuel in the internal combustion engine. It is visually evident on the back wall of my garage. Prior to the hydrogen generator I had circle of soot about 1m in diameter. When I fitted the generator I cleaned the wall and now have soot in about a 400mm circle. Smaller circle = less soot = less unburnt fuel !! It DOES work.

If you would like more factual detail email me at "toian@spin.net.au".

Essentially a waste of time John.

You can get many things to produce a burnable fuel and inject it into an engine intake , the only practical one being your normal gas conversion but even thats marginal with gas to petrol ratio of less than 2:1 these days.

John
You need some of the following links

Hydrogen power 1

Stan Meyers water power !

Happy reserch !
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Bucky

John
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Bucky