Inter-State Demerit Points

Submitted: Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 09:03
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Hi All,

Can anyone tell me if you hold a NSW drivers license & get booked in another state for speeding, do the demerit points come off your NSW license?

I have had various answers, but still not 100% sure? The fine has not yet been paid so checking my driving record won't reveal the answer - yet.

I know speeding is not justified & it is my own fault the fine was issued.

Cheers,

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Reply By: mikehzz - Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 09:16

Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 09:16
Hello Jo,

Theoretically yes they will be transferred back to NSW. However, it is a manual process I believe and many people have not had the transfer happen.

http://www.ntc.gov.au/DocView.aspx?DocumentId=167 is the document you should read.

Keep your fingers crossed. Cheers
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Reply By: Member - OnYaBike - Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 09:27

Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 09:27
My son currently has his licence suspended, his vehicle was pulled up the other night (Qld) because the rego is associated with an unlicensed driver. His friend from WA was driving, they said "Your licence is suspended too for an accumulation of points but we can't verify if it is still current information so off you go but check out your licence status."
So it sounds like the states do interchange info, but that doesn't answer the original question.
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Reply By: howesy - Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 09:57

Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 09:57
You bet your sweet nellie they transfer the points. Like the add says "It won't happen overnight but it will happen"
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Reply By: Rockape - Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 10:21

Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 10:21
Mate,
99% out of 100 the points will catch up with you and so will the fine. Be really careful that you do pay it.

Oh! for the days when I had 3 different state licences.

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Reply By: Ron N - Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 12:27

Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 12:27
Jo Q - The simple answer is Yes. Here is the webpage for the NSW RTA with all the FAQ's about the demerits points scheme:

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/usingroads/penalties/demeritpoints/demerit_point_faqs.html

Cheers - Ron.
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Follow Up By: Ron N - Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 12:59

Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 12:59
If you really want to spend an hour studying all the fine print, here's the link to the National Driver Licencing Scheme administrative policies (MS Word document), which were introduced in 1997, to develop the integrated Australia-wide drivers licencing policies and regulations.

The scheme that covers demerit points transfer between states is called the DPX (Demerit Points Transfer) scheme. Demerit points are awarded from the day of the offence, and are awarded on the basis of what the demerit points would have been for the offence in your home state, on the day of the offence.

Thus, if there was double demerit points applicable in QLD on the day of the offence, but no DD points in NSW on that same day (due to variations in State holidays), then the NSW demerit points would apply.

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=do%20demerit%20points%20transfer%20between%20states&source=web&cd=14&ved=0CEkQFjADOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ntc.gov.au%2Ffilemedia%2FReports%2FAdministrativeGuidelineNationalD.doc&ei=nPudT5bBHKitiAfp-OnADg&usg=AFQjCNH_TzA11REif9mYaATCHHhrTLuRRA

Cheers - Ron.
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Follow Up By: Kimba10 - Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 21:14

Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 21:14
Hi there Ron, if you notice in the first line of your follow up it says ""National Driver Licencing"" this is what is printed at the top of your licence if you have a truck licence, this isnt on your licence if you carry just a normal licence, this is referring to my reply below about having a truck licence........Cheers...........
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Reply By: Ron N - Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 13:26

Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 13:26
Also - don't forget, that if you're scared your total demerits will run to 12 with the latest offence, and you'll lose your licence - you can notify the RTA that you will elect to be of good driving behaviour for the next 12 mths, to avoid immediate licence suspension.

If you do this, you're only allowed to incur 2 points in the following 12 mths to avoid immediate suspension. If you incur 3 points in the following 12 mths, your licence is suspended for the mandatory term, and there is no way to avoid this suspension.

The only way you can get back on the road again is to make application for an extraordinary licence. You need some good reasons to get an EO licence, such as losing your job if you can't drive. The court will then give you an EO licence with strict limitations that only involve driving associated with your job.

Be aware that driving under suspension is treated as a very serious offence nowadays, and all State authorities are intent on stopping suspended drivers from driving, due to the fact that suspended drivers are uninsured, and are responsible for a bigger proportion of accidents than licenced drivers. A jail term, or a suspended jail term, is often imposed for driving under suspension.

Cheers - Ron.
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Follow Up By: Kimba10 - Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 20:49

Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 20:49
13 points now here in NSW Ron.............
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Reply By: Member - Jo Q (NSW) - Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 14:02

Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 14:02
Thank you all for your replies, not exactly what I wanted to hear - but now I know! :)

I had done a search on the NSW RTA site, but obviously not thoroughly enough.

I knew I would find the answer from someone here... Thanks again!

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Reply By: member-PradoMad - Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 14:51

Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 14:51
I got booked for speeding (8km/h over the limit) in a school zone in VIC (forgot they went back a week earlier than NSW)

The sturdy policeman (with his dark sunnies on) mentioned that the points may not go through the system.

That was 10 months ago and i still got all the points. (just luck I guess)
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Follow Up By: Kimba10 - Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 21:00

Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 21:00
Do you have a heavy vehicle licence (semi) ??.................
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Follow Up By: member-PradoMad - Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 22:38

Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 22:38
Nope.
JS.
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Follow Up By: Kimba10 - Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 00:04

Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 00:04
Thats why you didnt lose points, refering to my other replys......cheers..........
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Reply By: SDG - Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 17:59

Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 17:59
Got done going 10km over in Queensland a few years back. Fine was waiting for me when I got home and points off in a timely fashion as well.
Have a heavy vehicle licence so not sure if they act quicker on those.
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Follow Up By: Kimba10 - Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 20:59

Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 20:59
The reason you lose points is because you have a heavy vehicle licence which is nation wide. My neighbour got 3 fines sent to him with in 1 week when we did the great ocean road. We went through Melbourne as well, I kept telling him slow down they are savage down here and the point to point cameras will nail you, anyway he didnt listen (wasnt excessive speed) but still speeding but he never lost a single point on his licence. He paid all the fines. we were in a vehicle that was registered for NSW (where we live) and my neighbour doesnt have a truck licence. Years ago when driving trucks if you got pinged you just showed your licence from another state and you just paid the $$. Now if you have a heavy vehicle licence doesnt matter what state your in if you admit to been the driver you will lose points but if the camera got you from behind and YOUR wife was driving and doesnt have a truck licence then SHE wont lose any point she just pays the fine...........My neighbour has checked his licence and still has all his points, so they couldnt of stuffed up 3 times...........
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Follow Up By: Member - Jo Q (NSW) - Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 08:56

Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 08:56
I'll throw another question into the mix - I have a medium rigid license? Not sure if this makes any difference?

From looking at the RTA website link posted above, it does look like I will lose the points.

Sigh.....

Thank you all for your input :)



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Reply By: Ron N - Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 00:53

Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 00:53
Dunno about the Heavy Vehicle licence being a burden. I've got a HC licence, and I got nabbed quite a few years back, racing to the airport because I was late to catch a 'plane. I think I was doing about 78 in a 60 zone.

The young copper driving the traffic car spotted the "Heavy Vehicle Drivers Licence" across the top of my MDL, and suddenly went - "Oooh, you're a Heavy Vehicle driver! You know, you have to really look after your licence! If you lose this, you won't be able to drive for a living!"

I wasn't driving trucks for a living anyway - I've just had the HC licence since I was 20, and still use it on occasions when I help someone out or hire a semi.
However, this young copper almost started genuflecting about me having a HC licence. He must have come from a long line of truck-worshippers!

Anyway, to cut a long story short, when I told him I was running late to catch a 'plane, he let me go with no penalty!
It must have been my luckiest day ever with cops - none have ever had that young cops attitude, before or since!

Cheers - Ron.
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Reply By: vk1dx - Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 09:23

Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 09:23
Who really cares. Do the right thing and it doesn't matter. Last time I was booked was in the 70's.

And no I am not a 80KPH driver in 100 K zone. I travel at the limit minus 1KPH (by the GPS) and have been known to drift up over the limit. But I check often and bring it back. When overtaking I hammer it. I could be said to be aggressive but I prefer to call it being positive and definitive about my driving. Yes. I push it along.

I give people a fair go but not at the expense of having a prang. You know the ones who are a pain. You flash your lights and wave them out into the traffic when there is a break for them and they have to put it into gear, take the handbrake off, comb their hair and think which pedal is the accelerator!!!

I never leave on time. I always leave early; well and truly early. I haven't been since the Army taught me to be early, not late. I got sprung late for parade many times. Some people are so lousy about being on time that they will even miss their own funeral. Allow plenty of extra time. And if you are late then it's either your own stuff up so don't blame the copper. Get the next plane or it doesn't really matter.

Do you realise that with the average speed cameras that if you travel at 109 in a 110 for two hours that gives plenty of time to overtake at 20KPH even 30KPH over the limit without breaking the 110 K time. I think that's right. Mathematicians help!!!!

Phil
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 10:04

Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 10:04
:-)
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 10:19

Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 10:19
Fisho

You surprise me mate. Here am I trying to be a bit contentious and you smile. What is it? A smile WITH me or a smile AT me.

No worries.

But I think it is true. Who cares. Do the right thing.

Phil
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Follow Up By: Member - Jo Q (NSW) - Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 10:46

Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 10:46
Dear Phil,

I must admit that your "Who really Cares" comment is quiet nasty. Doesn't effect you, you don't care?

I have been a member of ExplorOz for a couple of years now & check the forum at least every couple of days. I have learnt a lot form various members of a wide range of topics and subjects & I value other members input & advice.

Not every post interests me, or is even relevant me, but obviously it is to someone else or they would not have posted in the first place. If everyone got a reply to their post similar to your comment above, this forum would fold pretty quickly!

In my original post, I did state that it was my own fault for speeding, & deserved the fine I received, but I was interested in the transfer of demerit points from State to State.

With a reply like "Who really cares", I will be very reluctant to post any further questions on this forum.

Thank you to all of the above members for they're detailed, HELPFUL responses.

Regards,

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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 10:54

Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 10:54
see below for the definition of contentious Phil.

"Definition of CONTENTIOUS
1
: likely to cause disagreement or argument
2
: exhibiting an often perverse and wearisome tendency to quarrels and disputes "


pretty much as Jo said above.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 12:52

Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 12:52
Jo

After reading your initial level headed original post and then your response to my post, I feel that you have totally misunderstood my point. It is ALL in the first two sentences. The "where" should not matter the "how many" should.

If you lose 8 points in NSW and 8 in QLD and 8 in VIC I am sure that there is something wrong with your driving habits and that you should not be on the road. It shouldn't matter where you lose the points. It's the number you lose that is important. I do not even know what the limits are.

An example: for arguments sake lets say that you have an ACT licence and the limit if 9 points and then you lose the licence. Personally I don't care if you lose 10 points in Timbuktu, my point is that you should not be on the road if you lose more than the limit.

I also cannot see where on earth you got the idea that I was challenging your speeding. I did not even comment on it. Another poster mentioned the airport so I used it as an example of why I plan extra time to be where I have to be.

I did not mean to offend you at all. No way. I am sure that if you read it again you will see my point.

Fisho. Definition number one mate. Gave number two up when I married. No perverse "XXX" stuff anymore.

Phil
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 13:39

Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 13:39
just a polite suggestion, but the best bet if not intending to offend, is to clearly write it in a way not intended to offend. We all know that the written word is easily misinterpreted.

Perfection is something most of us need not fear-we are unlikely to ever be confronted by it...
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 13:48

Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 13:48
You ain't kiddin Boris. I would have sworn that the first two sentences said it all then. Ah well.

Written english. Here is one. Can you see a difference in thwe two sentences.

1. What is the subject of the sentence?
2. What is the subject of the sentence!

Phil
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 13:53

Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 13:53
Phil you even posted that you intended to be contentious, while contentious doesnt necessarily mean offensive, both are on the same side of the fence.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 13:56

Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 13:56
Enough Okay!!!!
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Wednesday, May 02, 2012 at 17:10

Wednesday, May 02, 2012 at 17:10
Jo Q

No response to my reply?

I am referring to the words: "If everyone got a reply to their post similar to your comment above, this forum would fold pretty quickly!" I showed you how you took my response the wrong way yet you just totally ignore my explanation.

Sometimes I wonder where courtesy and politeness went.

Phil
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Follow Up By: mikehzz - Wednesday, May 02, 2012 at 20:49

Wednesday, May 02, 2012 at 20:49
I think courtesy and politeness left the room when contentious entered.
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Wednesday, May 02, 2012 at 21:08

Wednesday, May 02, 2012 at 21:08
:-)

again.

I thought you said enough? He (and I) left you with the last say but that wasn't enough?
Maybe he didn't like that you first said you didnt care what he said, then proceeded with a 300 word lecture on how you would never have to ask such a question, and pointing out everyone elses many failings?

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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Wednesday, May 02, 2012 at 22:09

Wednesday, May 02, 2012 at 22:09
I bloody wish I had never used the word. I was trying to be damned well politically correct. There are so amny wimps out there that I feel that I cannot speak my mind. Yes I was sick of it but I was also sick of being accused of being a ratbag and making people angry when I did not start out that way.

Rack off Phil

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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Wednesday, May 02, 2012 at 23:10

Wednesday, May 02, 2012 at 23:10
"Sometimes I wonder where courtesy and politeness went."

now you know.
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Reply By: Member - Bucky - Wednesday, May 02, 2012 at 06:50

Wednesday, May 02, 2012 at 06:50
Do not speed then
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