nissan navara st 2011

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i purchased my first 4 x 4 nissan nirvara st 2011 turbo diesel 6speed manual and im having trouble reversing up my steep driveway in 2 wheel drive the wheels spin in 4x4 it stalls about half way up i can only make it in 4 low, the drive way is pebble concrete. i got talking to a complete stranger about it and he said his brother in law had the same problem same car he said he had to install some chip and a larger exhaust costing over $ 2000 is this a common problem or my driving
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Reply By: Thinkin - Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 16:24

Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 16:24
Hello Karl T,

Most medium weight small capacity engined 4x4s would have that problem.
What's wrong with having it in 4 low? Save your money and clutch.

How did you reverse up before?
Alpero
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Follow Up By: Karl T - Monday, May 07, 2012 at 09:05

Monday, May 07, 2012 at 09:05
i had a mitsubishi magna front wheel drive that had no problem reversing up the driveway in the dry anyway
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Reply By: Member - AllanL2 - Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 16:54

Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 16:54
Karl, you don't say if your driveway is straight or has a bend in it. A friend of mine has a steep drive with a reasonable bend & has a similar problem. In his case it appears the transmission binds up when in 4x4 at the bend.
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Follow Up By: Karl T - Monday, May 07, 2012 at 09:09

Monday, May 07, 2012 at 09:09
my driveway has a slight turn at the top, but it only gets halfway up before stalling , i know i can use 4 lo and it makes it with no trouble but thats beside the point when my magna made it up trouble free in reverse only losing grip in the rain
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Reply By: the redbacks - Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 18:00

Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 18:00
Hi Karl,
I have had the Nissan ST T.D. now for nearly three years, i have the same problem with reverse, do not use 4 High when you have to turn the steering wheel ! wheels MUST be straight & there will be no problem, It appears to "Run out of revs" in reverse, I have had a "DC Chip" fitted & it has increased the torque & kilowatts and somewhat the fuel use, the cost of the chip was $1,900 but i feel it was well worth that, I haven't had the exhaust upgraded to a 3" yet but probably will soon.
I can easily tow my Lotus Track van fully loaded but only in 5th gear on an open rd, I would /do get approx 100 Klm per 16 Lts of fuel on a decent run with the van in tow !
If you tow a van,like me, at a very slight incline i use 4 high to pull away, then only a few meters flick it back to 2 W.D. on the fly, saves the clutch for a little longer than it may last as the clutch is probably the worst part of that Nissan I think !!
Other than that Karl, I havn't had any other problems with the car.

Cheers
Redbacks
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Follow Up By: Ross M - Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 18:40

Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 18:40
Pulling away in 4 high and then changing back to 2wd will not save the clutch at all, as you are using the same ratio for the job, if anything the extra friction of driving 4 wheels and transmisssion parts is extra over the use of 2wd.
Only the traction aspect is altered in 4wd high.

Ross M
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Follow Up By: the redbacks - Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 18:58

Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 18:58
Understand Ross,
just that a cpl of people inc some on OE said that it would help with take-off with the van hitched up.
so in your opinion, would a decent heavy duty clutch help, some say yes? but i really am not sure.

Cheers for you input Ross

Redback {Dave}
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Follow Up By: Ross M - Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 21:47

Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 21:47
At the moment your clutch should be ok and while a heavy duty one will last longer presumably and possibly provide better clutch frictional grip, I don't think it will make take off or climbing a hill any different.
Is sounds like you are tackling the hill below the speed where the engine can make some suitable power.
In a low range you will be ok but it brings in the maneouvering issue.
If ever considering a heavy duty clutch ask lots of questions about what advantages it has over the std clutch apart from longer life.
If when reversing, you back off for a split second you will lose the boost and it won't recover and stall out.

Ross M
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Follow Up By: Karl T - Monday, May 07, 2012 at 09:17

Monday, May 07, 2012 at 09:17
thanks dave and ross
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Reply By: Ross M - Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 18:58

Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 18:58
Pebble concrete is the worst thing to try and travel up. It is slippery and has little traction/friction coeficient.
When wet it can make it impossible to go up the driveway and whoever made the driveway of that material didn't have much of a thought before putting it down. Looks aren't everything in life.

With a chip and exhaust all it will do is allow you to sit there on the driveway and slip the wheels at a higher rate.
It is not power you need but slow control.
The 4wd you use must be 4wd LOW to suit the conditions of both traction and a controlled rate with suitable gearing.
If it is a straight driveway you will probably have to use 4wd Low but be aware of transmission wind up if any maneouvering is done when in 4wd low as it winds up the transmission.
Nissans seem to have a high reverse gear, most vehicles are higher rev than 1st, and this will be a problem for you when taking of with a load or uphill. Not real smart of Nissan to do this.
Put some sand on the ground after the climb so the front wheels have some ability to slip and reduce the wind up or wet the upper area for the same beneficial result.
Save your $2000 for the other gear you possibly don't need it.
Ross M
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Follow Up By: pepper2 - Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 05:46

Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 05:46
If the vehicle was fitted with manually operated free wheeling hubs you could select low range leave the hubs unlocked and reverse up the drive in low range with no wind up.I have done this many times in my patrol.
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Friday, May 04, 2012 at 13:13

Friday, May 04, 2012 at 13:13
if the pebble concrete is slippery enough to cause a loss of traction in 2wd, it wont suffer any windup in 4wd.
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Follow Up By: Karl T - Monday, May 07, 2012 at 09:11

Monday, May 07, 2012 at 09:11
advice taken, im just disheartened that i have to use 4 lo to reverse when my stock stamdard magna had no trouble going backwards thanks for your help ross
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Reply By: Nutta - Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 20:23

Monday, Apr 30, 2012 at 20:23
I dont think binding will even happen as it is to slippery anyway, i nearly went arse over in the wet on a pebble drive the other day, they are slippery!

My only whinge is that these new small cc td's need to get some boost before they can get moving, so on a steep driveway all it will do is wheelspin once it starts boosting.

The other small cc problem is towing heavy weight, the clutch will just die before long, unless u nurse it or take off in low on steep hills etc.

If i were to buy one for towing it would def be auto.

Re the driveway thing, all you could do is diamond grind the top off it.

Good luck.

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Reply By: Patrol22 - Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 20:03

Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 20:03
This is the rason that I went for the auto when buying my D40. But could I also suggest that you try putting some weight over the back wheels - i have a steep driveway but with the weight i have in the back all the time I never get to spin the wheels :-)
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Reply By: Rockape - Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 20:43

Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 20:43
Karl,
use low range and you problems will go away.

It doesn't matter one hoot that your are on hard ground as you are backing up mainly in a straight line. Even if you aren't you are not going to cause much axle wind up unless you have to do some hard turns.

Steady, steady wins the race and saves the clutch.

I have a mate with a Navara who tows rodeo horses around and he has had hugh clutch problems and I have another mate who does exactly the same and has no problems. I have got to guess that they use their clutch differently.

RA.


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Follow Up By: Karl T - Monday, May 07, 2012 at 09:13

Monday, May 07, 2012 at 09:13
thanks rockape
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Reply By: GT Campers - Friday, May 04, 2012 at 10:26

Friday, May 04, 2012 at 10:26
yeah use 4Lo when reversing and save that $3600 clutch that won't be covered by warranty...
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Reply By: Karl T - Monday, May 07, 2012 at 09:04

Monday, May 07, 2012 at 09:04
Thanks for all the feedback people most helpfull, what a great site thanks again
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