GVM Upgrade for Toyota Landcruiser

Submitted: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 10:35
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Hi all, I know this topic has been covered regularly in this forum and I'm quite conversant with the issue(s) and potential costs involved. My query is this, has anyone successfully upgraded the GVM for a HZJ105 Landcruiser GXL with a live front axle after it's been registered, or know of someone who has? I've been making some enquiries in Melbourne about what's required and it would help if there was precedent established somewhere (preferably in Victoria) that I could use to assist me in changing my vehicle's GVM which is currently 3,180kgs. The main areas of precedent I'm after relates to the vehicle's brake system capabilities (meeting the ADR35 requirements) and maximum front and rear axle loadings (which are normally higher than the OME loadings). I know there are some suspension kits available where the second stage compliance certificate has been obtained from DoTARS for the kit, but these are limited in number and there isn't one available for a LC100 to my knowledge.

If someone is prepared to share this information with me to help upgrade my vehicle's GVM, I would be interested in hearing from them.

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Rob K
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Reply By: olcoolone - Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 12:36

Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 12:36
You can get anything upgraded if you want to pay the $$$$$$.

To get an unregistered vehicle complied is a very straight forward process and there are two ways of doing it, first is the find someone who has all the engineers reports and documentation and then approaching an engineer to certify it and the second way is to find a company who specialises in GVM upgrades like Lovell and carry a tier 2 compliance.

BUT your's is an older vehicle and it had be registered so the only way would be to phone around to some automotive engineers and ask them.

Our 200 series have had a GVM upgrade to 3800Kg through Lovell's before registration and it cost around $2800..... this was with a 2 inch lift and all paper work plus a new compliance plate.

The same kit with out compliance fitted was about $1500.

I have heard of people trying to get their 4x4 upgraded and they have had quotes of between $5000 to $11000.

To get a 200 series complied after registration was about $4700.
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Follow Up By: Member - Toyocrusa (NSW) - Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 20:41

Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 20:41
Hi.Just wondering if your front springs are parallel to the shock or "bowed" We have had two sets fitted so far and both were bowed. The third set will be fitted soon. Thanks,Bob.

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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Friday, May 04, 2012 at 09:55

Friday, May 04, 2012 at 09:55
Bob, we have had two sets of front springs fitted in our, the first set dropped with the bull bar and winch and even that they had the weight carry capacity we wanted a bit more lift..... contacted Lovell's and their straight of the cuff reply was " give us some measurements and we will have a look", we sent them the measurements and with in a few days the got back to us with the reply " your front suspension is within spec and the GVM upgrade was never designed for a true 2 inch lift BUT if your not happy we will fix it for you for FREE and set it up to how you want it to be - no problems"

Over the next few months we had regular updates to where they were at with the new spring design.

They arranged for their new springs to be fitted and after 6 moths we are raped...... BUT since having the rear 180 litre tank, wheel carrier and racking the 200 series has doped a little more them we wanted (bare in mind our 200 series is set up for remote travelling and is a constant 3600kg), so on the phone again this morning to our contact Dragon and he said get to get some measurements to him and he will speak to the engineers and he is sure there is a rectification.

His parting words were we don't want you to use airbags because the constant weight and we are prepared to stand behind our produce get it right for you to your specs.

GVM upgrades are a funny thing and just because the suspension drops a little doesn't mean there is an issue, it's all about carrying the weight legally.

With our dealing with Lovell the few issues we have had have been dealt with properly and we were happy with the out come...... it's good to see a company that will go the extra mile even if it's with in specs and ensure the customer is happy.

We have been dealing with Lovell direct and this may be the reason we have had good relults with them.

Again it's good see a company and Dragon from Lovell take a strong stand in getting it right for our application and not just pawning us of like some others do.

If you want I can give you our contacts number.


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Follow Up By: Member - Toyocrusa (NSW) - Friday, May 04, 2012 at 21:01

Friday, May 04, 2012 at 21:01
Thanks for your detailed reply. The 200 I am refering to belongs to my brother who travels full time towing a 24ft Baroma Caravan. He and his wife live in the van so between it and the car they are both fairly well loaded. Last year he weighed the van and it was 3850kg so he decided to weigh the car and it was near 3500kg with the load he normally carries in it. The van towball weight is 380kg so he reserched and went for the Lovells upgrade.
The standard upgrade has been fine as far as carrying his combined weight, it is just that the front springs have "bowed" so badly that they only clear the shock absorbers by a few mm at their closest point.
Like you, we have found Lovells to be doing their utmost to rectify the problem as they have replaced the front springs once already only to find they bowed again.
In the meantime my brother has gone back over to Perth as the car is registered in WA. Lovells have sent another set of springs over to Perth and organised to have them fitted. Once that has been rectified he can then have it engineered over there and certified for WA rego.
Our contact for Lovells has been Mike who has looked after us well also. Cheers,Bob.
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Reply By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 13:20

Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 13:20
Rob,

Someone on the LCOOL site recently did this for their 80 Series and used John Wilson in ACT

Changed their GVM from 2960kg to 3350kg and changed their towing weight from 2500kg to 3500kg. It cost him $1620 for the Engineers report.

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Follow Up By: Member - Rob K (VIC) - Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 14:16

Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 14:16
Hi Kev,

I'm a member of the LCOOL Forum and have posted the same query there to see what responses I might get from this group.

Thanks for the suggested contact.

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Rob K
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Follow Up By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 15:29

Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 15:29
Rob,

The discussion I mentioned is in the NSW section.

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Follow Up By: Member - Rob K (VIC) - Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 21:28

Tuesday, May 01, 2012 at 21:28
Kev,

I've checked the post in LCOOL and it sounded promising. I've sent an email to John Wilson and I'll be interested to hear what John has to say about an upgrade for the LC100.

Thanks again.

Rob K
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Follow Up By: lizard - Wednesday, May 02, 2012 at 09:29

Wednesday, May 02, 2012 at 09:29
You need a Signatory Engineer to certify - google is your friend for your location , and you should increase the GCM as well as the GVM , otherwise increasing only GVM DECREASES your towing capacity , cheers .... I had my Nissan GU ute GCM upgraded to get my towing up to 3100 kg.
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Follow Up By: Member - bungarra (WA) - Wednesday, May 02, 2012 at 20:24

Wednesday, May 02, 2012 at 20:24
Hi Lizard

I was under the impression that the GCM can never be altered???????

I have had by GVM upgraded on my '79 series cruiser but obviously in that case if my vehicle is at the max GVM then my towing capacity is reduced to comply with the current unaltered GCM

With respect are you sure that the GCM can be altered?

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Thursday, May 03, 2012 at 00:08

Thursday, May 03, 2012 at 00:08
Bung who did your GVM upgrade?

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Follow Up By: Member - bungarra (WA) - Thursday, May 03, 2012 at 10:42

Thursday, May 03, 2012 at 10:42
Hi John

Mine was done by this crowd. The GVM is now 3900

http://www.westcoastsuspensions.com.au/gvm_upgrade.htm

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Follow Up By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Thursday, May 03, 2012 at 17:41

Thursday, May 03, 2012 at 17:41
Lizard,

The bloke I suggested does that, as per what I posted above ie increased the GVM from 2960kg to 3350kg and changed their towing weight from 2500kg to 3500kg in an 80 Series.


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Follow Up By: lizard - Friday, May 04, 2012 at 09:22

Friday, May 04, 2012 at 09:22
yes , that sounds right
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Friday, May 04, 2012 at 18:33

Friday, May 04, 2012 at 18:33
Thanks Bung, Cheers

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Reply By: PeterInSa - Thursday, May 03, 2012 at 17:57

Thursday, May 03, 2012 at 17:57
Rob
Do a search on the Lcool site, for a friend, I found a guy (engineer) in Vic who does 80 series upgrades and he could well do the 100 series as well. Quite reasonable as well.

To me local is better, if you are going to upgrade.

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Follow Up By: Member - Rob K (VIC) - Friday, May 04, 2012 at 09:42

Friday, May 04, 2012 at 09:42
Hi Peter,

Do you have any contact details for this engineer?

I received a response from John Wilson in ACT earlier this week and he indicated he couldn't do an upgrade (easier in NSW) and that it was very difficult to get a GVM upgrade in Victoria because of VSB14 requirements. I'd like to have a chat to another local engineer in Victoria. In reading the various follow-ups from fellow ExplorOz members, I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that different States have different requirements on GVM upgrades and Victoria might be the hardest jurisdiction to get an upgrade - just my luck!

Thanks to everyone who responded to my query.

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Rob K
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Follow Up By: PeterInSa - Friday, May 04, 2012 at 18:45

Friday, May 04, 2012 at 18:45
Rob K (Vic)
Do not have this engineers permission to publish his name, would need to get his OK,
Will get back to you, if I have the Go ahead.


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Follow Up By: Member - Rob K (VIC) - Friday, May 04, 2012 at 20:19

Friday, May 04, 2012 at 20:19
Hi Peter,

Thanks for the follow up. If publishing is an issue, maybe an email to my email address might be OK?

Cheers

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