A/T tyres

Submitted: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 at 21:24
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I will need to buy new tyres soon for my 200 series Landcruiser Sahara. I do mostly sealed road driving with some off road about 80% on road 20% off road, but driving to the Cape within 4/6 weeks. What would you experienced 4 w/d drivers advise, I am leaning towards B F Goodridges or Coopers any constructive advice would be appreciated.
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Reply By: equinox - Wednesday, May 16, 2012 at 21:46

Wednesday, May 16, 2012 at 21:46
Hi HG,

Not sure about Cooper AT's however I've had mostly Cooper STT's on since my Ute was new in 2006. I normally drive it fairly well loaded up.

I have never, ever had a puncture with the Coopers on bitumen, gravels roads or dirt or stoney tracks. One exception was one of them which blew out on the bitumen at the beginning of one of my trips - however this was a tyre which had many repaired punctures from a bush bashing trip the year before and in hindsight I shouldn't have driven on it.

I have only ever had one BFG AT, (because I couldn't get Coopers) and I got a puncture on a gravel road with it.

So to me Coopers are a superior tyre than the BFG, and ironically I first got onto Coopers as I couldn't get stock of a full set of BFG's in Perth when I needed them.

The jury's still out for me on which is the best bush bashing tyre - however now getting off-topic..

Many people will bag Coopers on Exploroz, not really sure why....

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 09:46

Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 09:46
Maybe you need to reread your own post >>>>>

I have never, ever had a puncture with the Coopers on bitumen, gravels roads or dirt or stoney tracks. One exception was one of them which blew out on the bitumen ........... "however this was a tyre which had many repaired punctures"

People bag Cooper tyres because of they appear to be the tyre that suffers the most degradation & chronic failures.

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Follow Up By: equinox - Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 09:49

Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 09:49
No, I think you had better reread my post....slowly.




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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Saturday, May 19, 2012 at 00:25

Saturday, May 19, 2012 at 00:25
I kind of read it the same way as Shaker, and had a chuckle as I thought it was a typo! Coopers, from what I have read have a problem with chipping.
They also have the lamest "tyre guarantee" I have ever seen
A milage warranty that is only valid in capital cities???
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Reply By: pling - Wednesday, May 16, 2012 at 21:50

Wednesday, May 16, 2012 at 21:50
I assume the Sahara is same as my VX and has 18'' wheels, which means we can't get much of a range of tyres compared to 17'' or 16'' wheels.

I wanted to fit BFG A/T's and they were not available in 18'' a year ago.

I ended up buying 17'' rims so I could get a better range of tyres.
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Follow Up By: Hunter Gatherer - Wednesday, May 16, 2012 at 22:23

Wednesday, May 16, 2012 at 22:23
The Sahara comes with 17" wheels as standard.

There is an excellent site called Product Review which has reviews by the general public on all sorts of products and there are some interesting comments on 4 w/d tyres.
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Follow Up By: pling - Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 20:06

Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 20:06
Hi HG,

Are you sure you have 17'' wheels as standard ?
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Reply By: Madfisher - Wednesday, May 16, 2012 at 22:00

Wednesday, May 16, 2012 at 22:00
Boss just put some geolanders on his sahara. Coopers are hard wearing(we have a set on wifes Nullarbor) but are not a good wet sealed road tyre because the rubber is to hard in my opinion. I prefer Bridgestones 694 in LT, superb on wet tar, quite and reasobable in mud. If you do 80%on road you cant go past them. I have them on my Jack and just about to replace with another set.
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Reply By: Dennis Ellery - Wednesday, May 16, 2012 at 22:49

Wednesday, May 16, 2012 at 22:49
I currently run Coopers Light Truck tubeless 10 ply 265/75/R16 10 ply AT’s no problems – used mainly on bitumen and soft sand, minor use on rocks – little usage in mud or scrub with sharp stakes.
Talked to a guy recently who, on his 4WD, had a mixture of same Coopers AT and BFG’s of the same construction as above - he complained of saltbush staking the side walls of both brands.
It’s not so much the brand that is at fault but the wrong construction of tyre for the job – on this website I’ve seen a member bagging Coopers whilst extolling the virtues of BFG’s - it turned out that he was comparing BFG AT LT with Cooper AT passenger construction tyres. Make sure you sort the wheat from the chaff and compare apples with apples.
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Reply By: Member - DW Lennox Head(NSW) - Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 04:41

Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 04:41
Hunter Gatherer

I have had BFG ATs for a long time with no problems on all types of road/track conditions.

I have just replaced all the tyres on my BT50 and Kimberley Karavan with them. I purchased them from Tyre Clearance Warehouse and saved a lot of money compared to local dealers. In fact I saved $70 per tyre.

Hope that helps.

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Reply By: Member - Alan H (QLD) - Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 08:14

Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 08:14
Lcool site

On this site you will find hundreds of comments about replacement tyres.

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Reply By: Member - Arsenal Phill - Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 08:22

Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 08:22
HG hi there.

I also drive a 200 Series Sahara. I had this same dilema a while ago when looking for tyres.

Mine came with 18in rims and at the time I was looking like I had no options as I couldn't get BF, nor Coopers to fit here in Perth. I had checked with loads of tyre people as I was pulling my hair out. So therefore my second option was to get smaller rims. I was told that I couldn't fit smaller rims . I thought this sounded odd as I couldn't imagine that the Sahara would have different size callipers to the other models. However 3 sources gave me this information so I accepted it. I still wouldn't know if this is correct. I did check with my Toyota dealer and they said no.

In the end I found that I could get Mickey Thompsons in an 18in. I bought 5 Baja ATZ 4-rib 60/305's

I am very happy with them. My ratios are probably 70-30 on road off road. I can't say I've noticed any great loss of fuel economy. The only thing I have noticed that I found surprising is that I actually have to reduce the PSI to less than I did with the stock tyres on soft sand.

I do not find them noisy on the black top, but as you know the Cruiser has a great sound system and I do tend to play it loud!!!

Hope this helps.

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Follow Up By: pling - Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 09:07

Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 09:07
It is interesting that Hunter has 17'' wheels on a Sahara, when the toyota web site still has 18'' wheels on Sahara and VX and 17'' on GXL and GX.

I fitted new 17'' rims with BFG A/T tyres to my VX and only use them for inland trips then swap back to the standard 18'' for around town.

My kids claim the 17'' rims look much better and are "bling" compared to the standard rims and also have not had any problems with the brakes.

Had I not gone to the 17'' rims I would have fitted the Mickey Thompson's the same as you.

I wonder if Hunter purchased the the Sahara new or if second hand, the previous owner changed them?
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Reply By: GT Campers - Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 09:04

Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 09:04
I have Cooper AT3 (new tyres, launched by Cooper last year I think) on a Hilux, I do lots of bitumen work towing my trailers to shows, plus my Hilux is my daily driver so sees lots of use in urbania. they continue to offer good wet bitumen grip after 55,000km. Just done a lap of the Vic High Country, Snowies, Brindies, Kanangra etc and they show just about no signs of damgae/chipping. They are better than I thught they were going to be and I drive quite hard, everywhere, all the time. Look to have another 30-40K in them
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Reply By: olcoolone - Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 09:21

Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 09:21
This is going to get very confusing for you as every one has a brand they like...... think Holden - Ford and Nissan - Toyota .....

A Coopers man will always be a Coopers man.

If you stay with any of the leading brand names ..... Cooper, Mickey Thompson, Toyo, BFG , Yokohama, Pirelli, Dunlop, Goodyear, Bridgestone you will be pretty safe.

They all make good tyres but some suit someone better on one aspect so the choose that brand.

We usually run Toyo Open Country M/T but could not get the size we wanted at the time so we went with Mickey Thompson MTZ (the tyre everyone raves about)...... well I would hate to see a bad tyre, they are noisey, they wander, they chip and the handling is not the best...... But still every one thinks they are the ducks guts..... Toyo will be going on next.

If you want some good advice and to read many user reviews on a particular tyre have a look at this web site....

http://www.1010tires.com/Tires/Reviews
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Follow Up By: GT Campers - Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 11:54

Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 11:54
yeah you are right, it's a very difficult choice with so many brand/models of these allegedly simple round black things!! I'm not quite a 'Coopers' man (had Bridgestones and BFGs on my 4WDs before these) but they have been are a great comfy and quiet all-rounder so far
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 15:34

Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 15:34
Apologies for butting in on your comment Olcoolone but the EO REPLY button isn't working for me in this thread. Seems my original reply is bouncing around in the there somewhere. Anyway this was the gist of it:



Tyre selection is always a compromise as you know Mr Gatherer. My Bridgestone 694s are going to need replacing on my SE petrol Jackaroo in the next 6 months so I've been trawling through websites and keeping an eye out for specials. Have it down to:

Bridgestone 697 - new design but probably very similar to the 694s which are good all rounders but not great at any one thing.

BFG ATs - the tread pattern is very old hat and prone to filling with mud from what I've read but many people rave about their mileage and strength. I had Desert Duellers on my old patrol and they had a similar tread pattern - good on blacktop, excellent on sand/dry dirt, mediocre/poor in mud, and scary on wet slippery dirt.

Yokohama Geolander AT/S - not sure if these are LT construction but they get a lot a good reviews.

The new Coopers might be good but the reason I will never buy them is the ridiculous small print and hassle required to get their guarantee. The many earlier bad experiences with both the tyres and the company posted around the internet don't help.

Here's another link to tyre reviews from users in the good ol' USofA which might be of some interest:
(USA) Tyre survey and reviews
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 16:43

Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 16:43
Yeah it's hard choosing tyres.... so many brands and so much marketing hype.

For a general purpose tyre I think the Cooper ST MAXX may be a good choice but time will tell.

As for an A/T tyre the Toyo Open Country A/t may be a safe bet if they are anything like the M/T.... fantastic.

Most people try one brand and think they are the best out there with no real proof or comparison against the other brands.

What you read in the 4wd mags with there creative journalism a bad tyre can sound good and in most cases the cheaper one wins over the more expensive ones.

We have had our woeful Mickey Thompson MTZ's for about 10 months now ........ 4 months after we bought them there was one of those "long term use" reports in one of the 4x4 mags saying they were the best tyres he has ever used.... what a joke.
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Follow Up By: GT Campers - Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 16:56

Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 16:56
... yeah Cooly I know EXACTLY what you mean.. when I test stuff I always use criteria to measure against (in this case) tread wear, interior noise levels, balance issues, wet weather traction etc
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Follow Up By: Jeff P - Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 20:37

Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 20:37
You need to look alittle further I think you will find that your wagon should be fitted with S rated tyres check with your insurance company because the plate inside the door will tell you that the tyres should be S rated and if you look into it you find that only the best tyre brands have this rating for the size you require and it is a good indication of quality tyres I run Pirelli scorpions 265/70/R17 they may not look chunky and exciting but they do the job on and offroad as for coopers I know heaps of people who have bought them and will not again blow-outs and cracking !!!!
Jeff
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Friday, May 18, 2012 at 12:38

Friday, May 18, 2012 at 12:38
Ratings on tyres are a funny thing, years ago someone got defected for having tyres R rated (170 Kph) when they should of had H rated (210 Kph) ..... it got challenged and the winning factor was you can only travel at 130 Kph maximum in Australia and that's in the NT, every where else is 110Kph, the R rated tyres exceeded the the speed limit.

I would not like to be travelling at very high speeds with a M/T tyre.
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Follow Up By: GT Campers - Friday, May 18, 2012 at 16:25

Friday, May 18, 2012 at 16:25
Unless something has changed, there is a provision for 'dual placarding' of a vehicle; the placard must be in in the field of view of the driver and (other constraints) when specialist (ie: reduced speed rating) tyres are fitted to a vehicle.
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Friday, May 18, 2012 at 22:14

Friday, May 18, 2012 at 22:14
This is off the NSW RTA site regarding speed ratings.

"Tyre speed rating

If the speed rating of the tyres specified for your vehicle is less than 140km/h you must not fit tyres with a lower
speed rating.

It is strongly recommended that the speed rating of the tyres fitted should be equal to or better than the rating of the original tyres fitted by the vehicle manufacturer, however:
• If the speed rating of the tyres specified for your vehicle is higher than 140km/h, you may fit tyres with a lower speed rating but not lower than 140km/h.




Here is a bit from VS14

the speed rating of the tyres fitted to a passenger vehicle is at least 180 km/h (S) when the tyre placard requires a higher speed rating than S;

The speed rating of the tyres fitted to vehicles with special features for off-road use of at least 140 km/h N when the tyre placard requires a higher speed rating than N;
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Reply By: Bazooka - Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 14:52

Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 14:52
It's always a compromise as you know HG. My Bridgestone 694s are going to need replacing on my SE petrol Jackaroo in the next 6 months so I've been trawling through websites and keeping an eye out for specials. Have it down to:

Bridgestone 697 - new design but probably very similar to the 694s which are good all rounders but not great at any one thing.

BFG ATs - the tread pattern is very old hat and prone to filling with mud from what I've read but many people rave about their mileage and strength. I had Desert Duellers on my old patrol and they had a similar tread pattern - good on blacktop, excellent on sand/dry dirt, mediocre/poor in mud, and scary on wet slippery dirt.

Yokohama Geolander AT/S - not sure if these are LT construction but they get a lot a good reviews.

The new Coopers might be good but the reason I will never buy them is the ridiculous small print and hassle required to get their guarantee. The many earlier bad experiences with both the tyres and the company posted around the internet don't help.
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 15:36

Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 15:36
....and like magic it appears
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Reply By: Geoff in SA - Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 18:49

Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 18:49
I have an f250 and have cooper ats fitted and got a 90000 km warranty. Why would you not choose them
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Friday, May 18, 2012 at 12:42

Friday, May 18, 2012 at 12:42
Try claiming the warranty...... you will find most tyres have a long warranty.

Pro Comp tyres rave on how tough they are but in the warranty it says " warranty void if used in off road conditions"..... makes you wonder!
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Reply By: Gone Bush (WA) - Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 20:28

Thursday, May 17, 2012 at 20:28
I've used Hankook Dynapro ATMs on my LC200 for two laps of Australia so far. Still plenty of tread left.

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Second biggest tyre manufacturer in the world. I'm very pleased with them. Available in 17" and 18", price is very good too.

When I got mine (17") they were $120 cheaper EACH than the same size BFGs.

Here's their website:
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Reply By: Member - Jason B (NSW) - Friday, May 18, 2012 at 21:11

Friday, May 18, 2012 at 21:11
You probably have all the info you require from previous posts.

From the info you asked I would go with the BFG's. From personal experience I don't like Cooper's, specifically the STT's which I have used. They were the tyre of choice of my employer and we had no end of issues keeping them balanced on our Nissan patrols. They didn't wear well either.

I had a set on my 80 series (came with the truck (x6)- put on brand new by a mate before the sale $2100). I put 7000km on them with a couple of off road trips, they started to peel the lugs from the carcass. Tyre man said he had quite a few coming back in doing the same thing. I just sold the 6 on ebay for $1000.

I have just put BFG AT's on the 80 to replace the coopers. I have had these previously and found them to be a good all round tyre.

I am not Cooper Bashing as stated I have used approx 5 sets of them through my employment and now they no longer use Coopers either.

On our more road oriented vehicles we use the Goodyear silent armours which have been good but are not that popular. We use 6 (2 x spares) and rotate all 6 and see 80000km no worries.

The new Wrangler looks good also (not the mud tyre the 50/50) not sure what its called, but a mate has them on his cruiser and has been happy.

From what you asked I would lean towards the BFG's if it was my $$$.


Regards


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Follow Up By: Hunter Gatherer - Friday, May 18, 2012 at 21:32

Friday, May 18, 2012 at 21:32
Jason,
Thank you for your advice, I have decided to go with BFG, I am amazed that so many people took their valuable time to respond and want to thank them all for their advice.

Cheers,
Barney.
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