Hilux 4x4 crewcab problem.......

Submitted: Thursday, May 24, 2012 at 19:36
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Hi, got an email from a reliable source with the following link, it may be of interest to Hilux Crew cab owners. Believe it refers to the current model Hiluxes.


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Reply By: Member - Wamuranman - Thursday, May 24, 2012 at 19:48

Thursday, May 24, 2012 at 19:48
That link says Illegal Domain and takes me to Google Docs????

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Follow Up By: Member - John - Thursday, May 24, 2012 at 19:56

Thursday, May 24, 2012 at 19:56
G'day, the link is to a google document, when I click on the link it doesn't say illegal domain...... John
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Follow Up By: Member - Wamuranman - Thursday, May 24, 2012 at 20:03

Thursday, May 24, 2012 at 20:03
Oh yeah thanks John, it worked that time.

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Follow Up By: Member - Jerry C (WA) - Thursday, May 24, 2012 at 20:40

Thursday, May 24, 2012 at 20:40
Hi All,
The link opens OK, however some of the statements don't make sense !!!!!

It will be intesting to see what the answers from Hilux owners.

Cheers, Jerry
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Reply By: Member - Chris & Debbie (QLD) - Thursday, May 24, 2012 at 20:02

Thursday, May 24, 2012 at 20:02
DSE Safety Alert
Safety Alert Title: Use of Toyota Hilux Crew Cab 4 x 4 Vehicles
This Alert Has been issued because of a recent review of our 4x4 vehicle and tanker fleet. It has been identified that a number of Toyota Hilux Crewcab 4 x 4’s exceed the manufacturers front axle capacity in certain configurations. DSE has taken the position that this may create a Safety Risk to the operation of the vehicle in certain configurations and has determined that all Toyota Hilux Crew Cab 4 x 4 Vehicles that are fitted with a steel bullbar and a winch are to be WITHDRAWN FROM SERVICE IMMEDIATELY. Other configurations of Toyota Hilux Crewcab 4 x 4 vehicles can continue to be driven as detailed below.
Safety Alert Number: 07
IMMEDIATE ACTION:
District Managers are to ensure that the following actions are complied with:

Toyota Hilux Crewcab 4 x 4 vehicles fitted with steel bullbar and winch are to be IMMEDIATELY REMOVED FROM SERVICE.

Toyota Hilux Crewcab 4 x 4 Vehicles with the following configurations CAN CONTINUE TO BE DRIVEN:
1.
If the vehicle is fitted with a steel bullbar and no winch, only the driver can use the vehicle. No passengers.
2.
If the vehicle is fitted with an alloy bullbar and a winch, only the driver and one (1) passenger (ie. 2 occupants in total).
3.
If the vehicle is fitted with an alloy bullbar and no winch, only the driver and two (2) passengers only (ie. 3 occupants in total).
4.
If the vehicle is fitted with a roof stowage cage or racks, there shall be no stowage items on the roof.
5.
There shall be no greater than a combined weight 20kg of additional stowage items in the cabin (ie. blankets, map books, water bottles etc).
6.
All stowage items, tool boxes etc located on the tray or in the tub of the vehicle shall be restrained and shall not exceed the Gross Vehicle Mass (GVM) capacity. Existing stowage items and tool boxes shall be positioned rearward of the rear axle to counterbalance the front axle loading.
Actions:
All managers/supervisors are to:

Ensure all staff are made aware of this Alert and that this Alert is placed on Noticeboards.
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All staff are to:

Adhere to the requirements of this Safety Alert

Continue to report all incidents into POSSUM in a timely manner.
Safety Alert Author: Graeme Dudley, Safety Manager DSE
Safety Alert authorised for distribution by: Tony Edgar, General Manager Regional Services
Date Safety Alert Issued: 2 March 2012
For more information contact the Safety Alert authors or your Regional OHS Advisor.
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Follow Up By: Member - John - Thursday, May 24, 2012 at 20:43

Thursday, May 24, 2012 at 20:43
Thanks for taking the time to post it. Cheers, John
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Reply By: Member - Toyocrusa (NSW) - Thursday, May 24, 2012 at 20:14

Thursday, May 24, 2012 at 20:14
Why would Dick Smith Electronics be so worried about this ? lol
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Reply By: GT Campers - Thursday, May 24, 2012 at 22:27

Thursday, May 24, 2012 at 22:27
There has recently been an upgrade of Hilux front axle loading specs:

http://news.toyota.com.au/hilux-front-axle-capacity-increase

Thsi is more than likely a reaction to the 'Hilux Problem DSE Vic' situation
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Reply By: Crackles - Thursday, May 24, 2012 at 22:41

Thursday, May 24, 2012 at 22:41
If you do the figures on almost any new 4x4 the majority will be borderline if not overloaded either on axle loading or GVM when fitted with steel bar work, winches & storage systems then loaded with even basic equipment. The difference here is DSE have to provide a safe work place so try to manage vehicle loadings to suit where the average Joe simply overloads.
It's the reason our work place now install GVM upgrades on most of our light contruction vehicle fleet. Parks Vic had the same front axle load problem a few years back on the 70 series V8 Cruiser despite already installing alloy bars. A few vehicles are addressing the problem with new model release's like the Ranger which increased GVM by around 300 to 400KG
Cheers Craig..........
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Friday, May 25, 2012 at 23:25

Friday, May 25, 2012 at 23:25
I think it may not be just the new 4x4's that have an issue.... many of the older ones would too, just that they are not documented or were worried about.

Everyone criticised the Landcruiser 200 series for only having a 660Kg weight carrying capacity, this took in passengers and fuel not leaving much left over..... funny thing is the Patrol's weight carrying capacity is about 50Kg under the Landcruiser...... nobody complained about the Patrol.
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Reply By: gbc - Friday, May 25, 2012 at 05:40

Friday, May 25, 2012 at 05:40
My wife works for DERM in QLD - their exploratory guys and well inspectors have been screwed by this for quite some time now. No hilux, no prado.
Toyota would want to do a little better than a single line web based message, because quite a few fleet managers I know of had written them off over this issue.
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Reply By: Dazmit - Friday, May 25, 2012 at 06:40

Friday, May 25, 2012 at 06:40
Makes you wonder how responsible ARB, Kaymar etc are when advertising all their steel barwork which overloads a lot of vehicles such as Cruisers and Hilux's ??

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Reply By: Steve D1 - Friday, May 25, 2012 at 08:41

Friday, May 25, 2012 at 08:41
hi all. was given this from the Toyota Dealer Website..

Hilux GGN25, KUN26
Front Axle Capacity
Since January, 2005, the Toyota Hilux Workmate (WM), SR and SR5 grade 4x4 models fitted only
with either 205 R16C or 255/70 R15C tyre size are capable of increasing the front axle loads to
1300 kgs. There is an additional tyre loading information placard that certifies this, which is situated
above the standard tyre placard located inside the drivers door opening.
The front axle capacity can be increased to 1300 kgs with the following tyre pressure ????????????????????????
1. Tyre size 205R16C-8PR 110/108S – Cold tyre pressure increased to 260 kPa.
2. Tyre size 255/70R15C 112/110S – Cold tyre pressure remains at 200 kPa.
Toyota Hilux SR5 & SR with VSC option grade 4x4 models fitted with 265/65 R17C 112 tyre size
have a front axle capacity of 1280kg.
Additional information is available on the vehicles actual Tyre Loading Information Decal or within
the vehicle’s Owner Manual under the headings “tires or weight limits”.
This axle loading specification supersedes the axle loading specification in the Repair Manual and
Body Builders Guide.
Please use this information to respond to owner enquiry on this subject

The load on either the front or rear axle resulting from distribution of the gross vehicle weight on both axles must not exceed the following.

2WD
single cab Frt 1145kg Rear 1750
extra cab Frt 1200kg Rear 1725
Double cab Frt 1200kg Rear 1550

4WD
all Frt 1280kg Rear 1600

ALTERNATE FRONT AXLE CAPACITY ( four wheel drive models only )

Where Toyota genuine accessories are fitted, such as a steel bullbar and winch combination, or for specific vehicle passenger / payload combination requirements, then front axle capacity can be increased as shown below

TYRE SIZE 225/70R15C
Front 1300kg

TYRE SIZE 205R16C
Front 1300kg*

*Cold tyre inflation pressure must be increased to 260 Kpa.


Hope this helps.

Steve


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Reply By: Iain M - Friday, May 25, 2012 at 13:46

Friday, May 25, 2012 at 13:46
Bought a 05 Hilux new, when I had it on order a respected 4WD journo said as soon as I put the winch and bar on it and with my wife and myself in it the front axle will be overloaded.
He said cancel the order in no uncertain terms.
Should have listened to him as the front struts failed and collapsed out near Wanaaring.
Sold it and have not looked back.
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Follow Up By: gbc - Friday, May 25, 2012 at 16:32

Friday, May 25, 2012 at 16:32
We towed one out from Ayer creek to birdsville with a failed strut also. Interestingly it had a bullbat and winch. I'd never linked the two until now. That was 2009.
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Friday, May 25, 2012 at 23:32

Friday, May 25, 2012 at 23:32
Most people who put a bar and winch on knows to upgrade the suspension, when you add a winch, a bar and a second battery that weighs about 180KG forward of the axle no wonder the standard factory stuff fails.

The sad thing is you can get this stuff dealer fitted using genuine factory gear and the do nothing to the front suspension for the extra load, Mazda and their new BT-50 is the same.

So Iain what did you buy that you could use that gear on without an issue?
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Follow Up By: gbc - Saturday, May 26, 2012 at 08:06

Saturday, May 26, 2012 at 08:06
The one I towed had tjm struts which in turn buggered the lower wishbone connection. We had to jack the front end and jamb the strut with logs to get the wheel going (somewhat) straight again.
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Sunday, May 27, 2012 at 11:41

Sunday, May 27, 2012 at 11:41
If the TJM strut gave way how is it a problem for Toyota and why would a bull bar and winch caused it?

The guy in the Hilux may of hit something a bit to hard, there are thousands of Hiluxs getting around with a bar and a fair few with winches that have no problems.

I'm sure TJM would build there suspension with off roading in mind.

Our old Hilux weighed in a 3100Kg all the time and we did many outback treks with it including a lot where there was not tracks and we never broke anything.... that had a steel ARB bar, Warn winch and a extra battery under the bonnet.
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Follow Up By: gbc - Sunday, May 27, 2012 at 15:43

Sunday, May 27, 2012 at 15:43
Was your old hilux the current coil over strut suspension setup or are you just throwing it out there because you're feeling nostalgic? I had an 03 that went everywhere as well, but it has exactly nothing to do with the thread. The old torsion bars aren't as comfy, but they are well and truly proven technology.
I should qualify we didn't do forensic testing of the lux to see which broke first, the strut or the wishbone. Either way the front end failed when it shouldn't have - we watched it fail - there was no impact.
We've got hiluxes In our fleet and they are fine. As usual, it's never the mall cruisers that fail, it's the ones out pounding the corrugations that hardly anyone hears about.
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Follow Up By: Iain M - Monday, May 28, 2012 at 16:08

Monday, May 28, 2012 at 16:08
Mine had stuff replacing the OEM suspension, as it was early in the model run the weakness that the after market components had were not foreseen without a doubt.
I would not be surprised to here that all these mods are better designed today and some more of the OEM components can be replaced to make a better vehicle.
Just a shock and spring change as I did would not change the GVM, is that correct?
All the other bits would need to be looked at to increase the weigh carried surely.
We got hold of an old Patrol, did an upgrade with TD Shocks and King springs. There is a hell of a difference compared to the Toyota:
Ride - worse, Cabin comfort - worse, Features - what features?, Fuel economy - worse, Power - does the Nissan have that?, Off road - way better, Maintenance - way better, Durability - reckon its going to outlast the Toyota.
For a family car the modern utes are fantastic, we just asked too much of it.
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