Spot lights,,,, more confused than ever.

G'day all

I have read previous threads and researched the net regarding HID spotlights and spread beams and I am a little confused.

It almost appears that very few of the brand names actually make HID spotties.

Most appear to be halogen spotties converted to HID by a secondary company.

In particular IPF, Hella and Light Force. Most of these I have found on Ebay.

I have looked in a few shops like TJM and found that the shop assistants all had a
a set of something on their 2 cars and basically pushed that brand.

I almost thouhgt it must have been the product with the highest mark up, but I'm sure that couldn't be right. LOL

Does anyone know if these conversions are OK,,, and whether or not the cheap HID lights are anygood.

Any help would be appreciated.
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Reply By: Crackles - Saturday, Jul 14, 2012 at 21:35

Saturday, Jul 14, 2012 at 21:35
Boo all the brands you mention offer a HID option on there premium range. Unfortunately they come at a premium price.
The ebay after market HID inserts are of varying quality, most very bright but some don't have the correct focal length so you can get alot of light scatter & I've also had the issue of poor connector quality so the light goes out after a river crossing. A matter of finding someone who can confirm a specific ebay sellers HID unit matches the reflector.
I've had success with both Ultratech Quattro HID's plus the cheaper Night Stalker HID.
Cheers Craig................
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Sunday, Jul 15, 2012 at 07:55

Sunday, Jul 15, 2012 at 07:55
G'day Crackles

I found a few of them last night, like the Narva 225's and the extreme. Wow the prices are way up there, but as someone said the other day there comes a time when you need better light when driving at night.

I hear what you say about inconsistent quality thats why I'm leaning towards a brand name.

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Reply By: Stu & "Bob" - Saturday, Jul 14, 2012 at 22:02

Saturday, Jul 14, 2012 at 22:02
I had some that I bought from an ebay seller, they were converted Lightforce 170's.
Whilst the light was exceptional and the focal length was spot on, the ballasts were of some sort of chinese variety.
These ballasts emitted so much RF noise that my HF radio was unusable while the lights were on. There was also RF noise coming through the AM car radio. I tried all sorts of methods to try and reduce the noise, but to no avail.
I ended up selling the HID lights and going back to Halogen 170's.
I am a bit wary of trying out HID lighting again, as I had a bad experience with this lot.

HTH
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Sunday, Jul 15, 2012 at 07:57

Sunday, Jul 15, 2012 at 07:57
HTH

A good reason for me to stick with brand names.

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Reply By: blown4by - Saturday, Jul 14, 2012 at 22:20

Saturday, Jul 14, 2012 at 22:20
Boo, Hella make the Predator and Lightforce the XGT and Blitz 240 both are HID. I have the Blitz 240 in HID and Hella Rallye 4000's in QH on two separate vehicles and find the HID have a 'dark spot' in the mid range whereas the Rallye 4000's don't. In other words the close range is good and the long range is good but the illumination in the mid range is no so good. In my opinion the jury is still out on HID and I don't think you get twice the light for three times the price. I have tried the Combo lenses and rotating the reflectors on the 240's but feel both are a gimmick. Sure the HID's do illuminate reflectors on guide posts 2 or 3 K's away but as far as illuminating the road mid range forget it.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Sunday, Jul 15, 2012 at 08:02

Sunday, Jul 15, 2012 at 08:02
Mate

I am a bit wary of light force and their gimmicks on HID and their globes.

Although you are the first to comment on th 'bald' patch in mid range.

You're right about the price.LOL

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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Saturday, Jul 14, 2012 at 22:24

Saturday, Jul 14, 2012 at 22:24
Hi BooBoo,

I have a set of 2003 vintage IPF900's and they added no value to my 200 series cruiser high beam, could barely tell if they were on :(

So, with little to lose, I bought a set of H3 HID's in a 55W 4300K kit digital slimline ballast, specifically for the IPF900's from Ebay - the ballasts all fit inside the spottie case. It was only ~$120 and I wasn'texpecting too much. Well I cannot believe the difference in performance :) When I turn off my HID's, its like I switched off all my lights, the difference is that much.

My biggest regret is that I did not do this years ago!

Cheers

Captain
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Sunday, Jul 15, 2012 at 08:07

Sunday, Jul 15, 2012 at 08:07
Captain

About 6 months ago I sold my troopy with a set of IPF's on it.

Maybe I should have kept them and got a set of IPF HID kits and put them in. LOL

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Reply By: Member - Bucky - Sunday, Jul 15, 2012 at 08:37

Sunday, Jul 15, 2012 at 08:37
Boo Boo

I purchased HID's for the "Poootrol", from this mob
http://www.newpro-tech.com.au/
And was happy with Hi beam, although on low beam thery were bit ordinary, and an adjustment took care of that.

I next purchased Hella Rallye 4000 (1 spot, 1 spread) from this mob, for $320.
http://stores.ebay.com.au/xenonlv
Together with a Phillips HID kit, for $150.

The Phillips HID kit was absolute CRAP, end of story.
Anything under 45 seconds to flick back to high beam, meant it was a guessing game, left spot on, or right spot on,, or neither.
Very frustrating !

Glad I killed one of them off on Cape York tip last year
(drowned waterproof Ballast)

I then went back to newpro-tech for a 55 watt HID kit, and now have amazing light.
Instant on, every time, when resuming high beam with the spots on.

No more problems, and as I said earlier...AMAZING lights

Cheers
Bucky

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Follow Up By: Member - Stuart P (WA) - Sunday, Jul 15, 2012 at 12:01

Sunday, Jul 15, 2012 at 12:01
you must have serious volt drop to the ballasts, initally phillips and all other ballasts need to warm up, after that it is instantaneos,
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Sunday, Jul 15, 2012 at 14:52

Sunday, Jul 15, 2012 at 14:52
G'day Bucky

How difficult is it to put the bits and pieces together?

Are the instructions adequate so that you really can't stuff up?

The reason I ask is that it appears the only way to get hid at a reasonable price.

I'm bit hesitant to buy those that are put together by others,especially when they may be using chinese crap.

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Follow Up By: AlbyNSW - Sunday, Jul 15, 2012 at 17:23

Sunday, Jul 15, 2012 at 17:23
I had the Newprotech HID kit in some Narva 225 for close to 2 years and they have been fine
The kit was easy to install and quality gear. Would happily purchase again
I hear people talk about the start up delay of HID but I don't notice it with mine, I have not used any other brand to compare if there is a difference
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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky - Sunday, Jul 15, 2012 at 21:06

Sunday, Jul 15, 2012 at 21:06
Stewart P

I am telling you this much
Phillips HID lights are CRAP.
Please do not read anything else into it, CRAP means crap, nothing else

Warm up once achieved made no difference to the persormance once dipped. It was a lucky dip to see which one fired up, if at all.
.They are still crap !

There was no voltage drop, as I used relays and a 50 amp loom, which I made myself, and is still on the Poootrol now and functioning perfectly.

Cheers

BooBoo
The installation is relatively simple, just have to take your time
Newtechpro kits are really good.
If I can set them up, anyone can

Cheers mate
Bucky
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Follow Up By: Member - Stuart P (WA) - Monday, Jul 16, 2012 at 00:49

Monday, Jul 16, 2012 at 00:49
as an auto sparky that sells these things , you must have had a bad one , in all those mods to rally 4000 with phillips ( german made stuff) i have only had 1 globe faulty in the last 4 years,
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Reply By: Member - Mark (Tamworth NSW) - Sunday, Jul 15, 2012 at 18:10

Sunday, Jul 15, 2012 at 18:10
BooBoo I went from my Cibie SuperOscars to Chinese HIDs recopmmended by my local auto electrician.

The HIDs are a significant improvement. Cibie super oscars which along with Hella Ralley's were the benchmark in Halogen lights for nearly 30 years.
I had to give up by Super Oscar's as they wouldn't fit inside the roo bar on my present vehicle.
Yes the reflection of road signs is a nuisance, but otherwise very pleased with the result. Wouldn't go back to Halogen Super Oscar's.

MARK
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Reply By: Nev (TAS) - Sunday, Jul 15, 2012 at 20:10

Sunday, Jul 15, 2012 at 20:10
Hi Boo Boo,
I bought an HID upgrade for my hella lights, (cannot remember model numbers), on my previous vehicle and they were brilliant. They came from fleabay and used an external ballast. These were easy to wire into the 4wd and only problems I had was getting used to road sign glare and the "where the hell am I" when I switched them off. Unfortunately I sold them with the vehicle, which in retrospect indicates my stupidity level as it didn't increase the resale value one smidgen. They were only rated at 35w, if I recall correctly, but the newer ones now go up to near 100w I believe. When I bought my current 4wd I hunted around for another set and being short of bucks I decided to buy a fleabay no brand set of lights with waterproof metal enclosures. Rated at 55w and 4200 light range I thought they would be the answer. These came with internal ballasts both of which were loose in the lights which should have warned me of the low quality. So eventually get everything sorted and find they are as useful as whatchits on a bull.AND after about 4 weeks they started to rust on the outside.
Sooooo my humble thoughts would be to buy a known quality set of lights and then upgrade them to HID or buy them already done. I am going to do exactly that myself as they really were the answer for me and my lifestyle. And yes if working properly they are brilliant.

Rgds
Nev
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 17, 2012 at 19:27

Tuesday, Jul 17, 2012 at 19:27
Mark and Nev

I am still looking.

I am going to a 4wd show in Rocky this weekend and hopefully get to touch a few of the lights.

At this stage I have decide to get a good set of lights like IPF 9000xs and see what they are like and whetherI need the extra light.

I will give an update next week.

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