Driving in 2wd with hubs locked
Submitted: Monday, Jan 19, 2004 at 10:35
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SteveW
hi everyone,
I was wondering if I could drive my 86 4 runner in 2H with the hubs locked so that I dont have to get out to lock them and i just have to throw it into 4H or4L? I liked the idea because it means less effort.... I've been told by a mate that I can do this but i'm worried i'll break something or wear something out. Both front and back diffs are fitted with Lokkas and its a 2.2 5 spd manual. Any help would be appreciated
regards
Steve
Reply By: friar - Monday, Jan 19, 2004 at 11:03
Monday, Jan 19, 2004 at 11:03
Hi SteveW
Yes you can select 4h on the move up to about 60klm an hour with the
hubs engauged,you must stop to engauge 4l ,4h can be disengauged
on the move,if you do not mind a little extra wear,&fuel consumption
you never kneed to disengauge the hubs
Friar
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Follow Up By: SteveW - Monday, Jan 19, 2004 at 11:45
Monday, Jan 19, 2004 at 11:45
Thanks guys, i dont think ill be locking them while driving on the black stuff but ill definatly lock them when im driving on dirt, i'm a bit worried about the extra fuel consumption as the 4 runner only has a 60lt tank( i want a long range but dont have the $ for one yet) and that only lasts approx 350km at best, obviously alot less when 4 wheel drivin..
Steve
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Reply By: donk - Monday, Jan 19, 2004 at 12:58
Monday, Jan 19, 2004 at 12:58
I have read the other replay & normally i would agree but i believe this 4 runner has a Lokka diff lock in the front as opposed to a normal open front diff & when it is driving the front wheels would be turning the front diff centre causing the diff centre pin to push the dog clutches outward causing the front diff to be in a locked state when driving strait ahead (the pin would be pushed in the opposite direction to normal as the wheels are driving the diff instead of the diff driving the wheels)
I am not confident that the diff would unlock under all conditions when turning & this may cause steering problems ??????? particually as it has a rear lokka fitted as
well
I would speak to a lokka diff lock supplier & get there advise on this matter
Regards Don
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Follow Up By: Mark - Monday, Jan 19, 2004 at 16:39
Monday, Jan 19, 2004 at 16:39
I had a Lokka in the front of my 80 series and there is no problem driving with the hubs locked (in 2WD). Did 100,000 plus kms with the lokka like this and never had a problem.
There is NO
feedback to the steering as there is no torque being applied by the driveshaft. However, once 4WD is engaged there is noticable effect on steering by the Lokka.
I would normally lock my hubs in at the beginning of a 4WD trip and unlock them when I got
home (days later). There is no need to keep locking and unlocking your hubs. The extra fuel consumption is so minute it would not be noticeable. Only need to unlock the hubs for the daily gring during the week before getting away for the 4WDing on the weekend again.
Cheers
Mark
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Follow Up By: Dave from Fraser Coast 4WD Club - Monday, Jan 19, 2004 at 22:16
Monday, Jan 19, 2004 at 22:16
yep with no torque from the tailshaft the Lokka will be unoticeable.
I've got Lockrights front and rear in the Troopy, and get no adverse
feedback with hubs in and in 2H.
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Reply By: Member - JohnR - Monday, Jan 19, 2004 at 13:00
Monday, Jan 19, 2004 at 13:00
Guys there is another factor in not having your hubs locked in for a few months and not engaging four wheel drive.
I have had universal joint grease dry out through not being used and warmed. When then happens is your uni joints quickly wear out. Maintenance is utilization too to make sure those bits are used on a reasonably frequent basis, just like your aircon systems. To stop the seals drying out there of courseRegards
JohnR - Not enough of the right travelling, some here..... some over there.......
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Reply By: Big Trev - Tuesday, Jan 20, 2004 at 13:42
Tuesday, Jan 20, 2004 at 13:42
Has anyone ever done a fuel comparison on the difference between having your hubs turned in or not. I can't tell the difference with
mine, so I reckon the fuel consumption variance must be SO small that it is almost immeasurable.
I have noticed that there is NO difference in turning lock when the hubs are in, as against being out. The only time I notice a difference in turning circle is when hubs are in and vehicle is in 4WD.
As for tyres wearing out coz the hubs are in, never heard of that one before. Tyres biggest wear factor is turning unless there is an alignment problem. One U turn eqauls about 16k's of straight road driving. Tyres will wear out over distance and hard driving over harse ground, but with good rotation practices, careful monitoring of tyre pressures and appropriate tyre selection you will normally get good mileage from tyres regardless of whether the hubs are in or out.
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