Sleeping bag-advice sought.
Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 13, 2012 at 22:13
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darter
I just purchased a thermarest 198 by 77 by 7.6 cm self inflating mattress -its very comfy! thanks to ozexplorer members for advice on that.
I basically,have a tourer tent,and
camp in that,I have a big swag that I roll out inside,but find it rather cumbersome to lug around,so now I have this thermarest,I was thinking of just have a sleeping bag instead of lugging around swag.
I saw this one
http://www.anaconda.com.au/Product/Camp-and-Hike/Sleep/Sleeping-Bags/Comfort-Control-C-5-Sleeping-Bag
it sort of looks a bit bigger than regular bag-I am quite tall,so like the idea of something a bit bigger than regular.
Any suggestions or ideas for a good sleeping bag would be most helpful-I am not using it for hiking,so more of a pull up and
camp out of ute style is what I do.
Thanks
Reply By: Member - Bucky - Wednesday, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:43
Wednesday, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:43
Darter
Never ever skimp on sleeping bags, get the lower rated bags, and in saying that
We only buy -10c or -12c rated sleeping bags, and trust me if you are out in the bush it gets really cold at night. But in saying that, we also have a couple of St Vinnie specials, as "throw overs", just in case.
I tend to go for the "Jumbo" sized ones, as you can actually roll over in them.
Click here, for some good advice
Also consider the fact that cold will come up thru the bottom of your swag, at night.
to counter this I have an aerobic matt, which is a high quality, waterproof rubber matt, that fits under my swag perfectly.
A lot of my mates have gone for the
camp stretchers, and recon I am mad on the ground, but I am warm with my setup and that's all that matters
Hope this helps ?
cheers Bucky
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Reply By: Member - Mark (Tamworth NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 14, 2012 at 05:44
Wednesday, Nov 14, 2012 at 05:44
Darter
You pay a fortune for lightness and size reduction. For backpacking I use my goose down bag. IF I am car
camping then I use a bulky, heavy 20 year old Roman brand bag as I still find it wonderfully warm, even though my goose down one is more expensive.
Work out what type of bag you will need, no point paying for a down bag if you don't need one, or even a expensive compact synthetic fill. It is also really impossible to compare between different manufacturers ratings. You can really only com pare within one manufacturers.
Size of bag is also personal choice, more restrictive mummy bags keep you warmer.
I'm 185cm tall, I have no problems with regular bags, depends on the individual
Mark
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Follow Up By: mfewster - Wednesday, Nov 14, 2012 at 08:08
Wednesday, Nov 14, 2012 at 08:08
Total agreement with Mark. So, do you really need a sleeping bag? In my opinion the bag design is made for bushwalkers. If you are travelling by 4wd, do you really need a "bag"? We stopped using our bags and just use a quilt. Just as warm but quite a lot less money and a lot more roomy. Synthetic fills come in different qualities but you can get better quality synthetic fills even at
places like Big W. We use a queen size quilt and a swag and have always been very comfortable. Our quilt (from BigW) has two layers that can be clipped together. We only take the second layer if we think there is a chance it might be very seriously cold.
Synthetic is not quite as warm for the weiight as goose down but for
camping it has the great virtue that it is still warm if it gets wet and it is also much easier to clean. Get down wet and it is totally useless. When you sleep on down, the area that is compressed under (as in a bag design) you loses its "loft" and therefore warmth more than synthetic.
We also decided against a dome swag desiign. We discovered the Speedie fast set up small tents. Generally we sleep in the swag without the tent but for rain or mozzies we throw (literally) the tent out and it puts itself up. Super fast.
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Follow Up By: Member - silkwood - Wednesday, Nov 14, 2012 at 09:27
Wednesday, Nov 14, 2012 at 09:27
I've got a bag for snow
camping (and I mean snow
camping, as in snow caves, igloos etc), a bag for general bushwalking and an ultralight bag for extended walks. When it comes to car
camping I agree with mfewster, we have two down quilts, one medium, one light. We take either or both, depending upon conditions. Easy to pack (compression stuff sacks) and far less expensive than decent sleeping bags. If you really want a bag I like Mark's idea of a budget, large artificial fill bag, as car
camping doesn't necessitate the compactness of the down bags. The only downside (sorry!) is you cannot move the fill around to vary the temperature.
Cheers,
Mark
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Reply By: Pebble - Wednesday, Nov 14, 2012 at 09:51
Wednesday, Nov 14, 2012 at 09:51
We tried thermarest style mattresses with sleeping bags in the tourer tent but have sort of gone the reverse of you (Hubby doesn't find thin mattresses comfy), we brought a swag and figured we could just use it as is or roll it out in the tent.....you're right though most of the time we just take the swags now rather than the tent, suppose if the weather was really nasty we'd grab the tent.
I agree, if you
camp with a partner it might be a better idea to consider buying a doona.
On your own it's probably toastier being zipped up in a good sleeping bag.
The advice I would have with buying sleeping bags is to look for ones that have a "warm feel" material on the inside, ours (Roman extremelite zero) are more nylon like and I find that to be rather cold (when you move and touch a section you weren't touching previously). The kids have BlackWolf branded ones which are warmer material on the inside and the kids have never complained of being too cold, in tent or swag.
But do pay attention to the lengths too, I tried out their bags and they're slightly shorter, a bit on the short side for me and I'm only 169cm tall.(they weren't kid specific models as far as I know).
Blankets wise I like these (for
camping and home) they're like the ones you find in a hotel, nice durable and thicker feel to them not thin like some BigW or Kmart ones
HostDirect Blankets
We found the Roman sleeping bags we have to not be warm enough on really cold nights so have gone to a thin doona plus one of the above blankets for the swag.
You could always look at a nice woolen doona or feather down doona if synthetics aren't your thing. We do carry a couple of army blankets for spares etc...lol but most of the time when you're lying there cold at night nobody can be bothered to go into the car and get one lol.
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Reply By: Gossy - Wednesday, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:33
Wednesday, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:33
Hi Darter,
plenty of advice already given on bags so I won't give you the same info :). Just don't scrimp on price; you get what you pay for.
The other way to get more warmth out of a bag is to visit dedicated camping/walking stores like Mountain Design etc. You can buy silk liners and other material liners which you sleep in inside the bag. Keeps the bag clean and adds warmth. Silk liners for example add about 5 degrees to the rating and pack up to the size of a fist.
Cheers,
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Follow Up By: Member - silkwood - Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 07:52
Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 07:52
If you are getting a bag a silk (or other) liner is a good idea, just don't swallow the line it will add "5 degrees" to your warmth! For some people in some conditions it will add a little warmth, but not too much. As it gets warmer it will add more warmth- through reduction of immediate dispersion of body moisture- but that's when you don;t need the extra warmth. Mainly it adds comfort (particularly a silk liner) and helps keep the bag cleaner. Incidentally that point - keeping the bag cleaner- WILL add warmth, or rather will reduce the clumping of down leading to less insulation reduction.
The point below about hoods is a good one. Bags are rated with all of their features used. Any bag with a hood will be rated on the proviso that you will use it. I've had plenty of people complain their bag did not keep them warm (including when working for MD's amongst others) but refused to used the hood. Go figure.
Cheers,
Mark
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Reply By: Mark T6 - Wednesday, Nov 14, 2012 at 12:12
Wednesday, Nov 14, 2012 at 12:12
I gave up using sleeping bags, but know they are quick and easy.
My wife and I now tour in our Fourby and use stretchers, a 10 Cm self inflating matress and sheets / blanket and king single dooners......warm as toast, and the bed is almost like being at home.
NOTHING beats a good sleep after a big days driving.
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Reply By: darter - Wednesday, Nov 14, 2012 at 12:29
Wednesday, Nov 14, 2012 at 12:29
Ok,I'll look into it a bit more,to go into a proper
camp shop sounds like a good idea.
I am thinking,after reading replies-just give my swag ago with with thermarest-it will fit in and have plenty of room.I have always been warm in it with woollen blankets ets,just a bit hard on ground-the thermarest should fix that.
Thanks for advice.
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Reply By: Bazooka - Wednesday, Nov 14, 2012 at 13:17
Wednesday, Nov 14, 2012 at 13:17
Darter
Plenty of good advice already offered. I'll add a few dot points which might (or might not) be helpful.
- In your case the primary reason for a sleeping bag is convenience (when compared to the alternatives others have suggested above). As you know good ones - both down and synthetic - can be compressed into small stuff bags for easy stowage.
- If you decide on a bag then you should ask about the temperature rating and the amount and type of of fill, moreso if you are a cold sleeper or expect to encounter cold nights. Someone was on Exploroz recently talking about Coleman synthetic bags which didn't appear to be preforming to expectations.
- Most heat is lost through an exposed head, followed by the feet. Any bag claiming -5 comfort ought to have a corded hood in my opinion - for the one in your link this doesn't appear to be the case.
- If you want to make your bag last always use a liner.
- Being able to totally unzip your bag for use as a cover is big plus in warmer conditions.
- Synthetic bags are bulkier and heavier than down but easier to clean and far cheaper. You can buy very good quality synthetic bags for $100 -150.
- Many people don't like the confinement of a bag (or a stretcher for that matter). Just remember the bigger/roomier the bag the less efficient (relatively speaking) it will be in trapping your body warmth - which is essentially all that blankets, doonas, quilts and sleeping bags do.
- Sleeping bags are regularly on sale and there's no reason to pay "full retail" in most cases.
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Reply By: Gnomey - Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:36
Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:36
G'day Darter
FWIW I tend to use a sleeping bag when solo and the doona when it's company. For solo travel a bag, thermarest with a cotton sleeve made from an old sheet is most convenient for me.
My problem is bags is more often being too hot rather than too cold. Even the summer weight one I picked up in NZ is still toasty in the warmer months unless I am up high and the temps are down low.
Oh, and bags usually zip open completely - still not a doona though.
Cheers
Mark
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Reply By: glampergal - Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 22:14
Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 22:14
we bought a coleman big foot -5 each and it is fantastic. Liner zips out when weather is hot and is awesome in minus temps (-1 to -3 has been fine). Size wise, it is massive (we are big peeps!), very comfy and folds down to quite a small bag. Was a bit more expensive though ($140+ from memory)
http://www.colemanaustralia.com.au/gear/big-foot/bigfoot-sleeping-bags/big-foot%E2%84%A2-c-3-sleeping-bag-green.aspx
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