Vehicle options for round Aus with 4 kids

Submitted: Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 11:42
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Hi Folks

I'm sure there's threads about this, but haven't had any luck with search terms and I'm new to this forum. We're looking at a 6 to 12 month lap around Aus in a year or two, but have 4 kids which limits the vehicle options. In my mind, the perfect car would be a Troopy with 4 bucket seats in the back and a centre aisle, but not sure if the cost of customizing a vehicle would bring other options into play.

Benefits of that set up would be great viewing for each passenger and I'd anticipate some usable boot space could be retained across the width of the car. The biggest problem with all the standard 6+ seat options with Cruisers, Prados etc. is losing most of the boot to the extra seat. We'd be towing a camper trailer, so having some decent storage space for our kit in the car is a priority.

I've heard Toyota have a limited run of troopies with side doors and forward facing seats for mining operations, but haven't been able to lay eyes on one. All advice would be greatly appreciated.

cheers... Mossman
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Reply By: The Bantam - Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 12:01

Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 12:01
You are realy stuck for options...and one thing you need to consider very very seriuosly is weight.

So many touring 4wds are over their GVM, and very few of them would be carrying 6 people.

If you need to go off road at all, ya troopie is a minimum.

one thing to have a look at is the IVECO 4wd truck either as a dual cab...from memory it takes 4 in the back or if it comes in a buss version

As a single cab chasis, its not far removed from a landcruser in price and comes with diff locks and huge tyres.

A hell of a lot more payload and still on a pasenger car licence.

Mitsibishi, Hino and Isuzu also do similar light trucks in 4WD.

If ya not going "off road" propper you have to go a long way to walk past a Coaster.....as many seats as you want and convert the rest........if you remove some seats you can recompliance them at a lower GVM that allows you to drive on a pasenger car licence....and they will tow 2 tonnes at full GVM.

The coaster is strong enough to cop the dirt roads and it has good ground clearance too.

There may be some rare 4wd costers about

cheers
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Follow Up By: member - mazcan - Friday, Nov 16, 2012 at 10:37

Friday, Nov 16, 2012 at 10:37
hi mossman
they had an iveco at the perth 4wd and adventure show $105,000 great for off rd but the most dissapointing thing that i noticed was the very ordinary bench type elcheapo rear seat it would be very uncomfortable on a long journeybut the cab area was very roomycheers
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Reply By: Tim HJ61 (WA) - Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 12:06

Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 12:06
What you're suggesting sounds fine. Individual seats, space for extra storage, decent tow vehicle, capable off roader.

You've not mentioned age of the kids and your budget.

One thing to consider is that your kids may or may not share your desire to look out the windows, they may much prefer to be watching movies on a screen, and lectures about the great land we live in, the world passing you by, wasting your life on screens, in my day we drove the unsealed Nullabor 6 up in an EH Holden with vinyl seats and a fawrting dog etc etc. have nil impact on changing their perceptions. Screens are harder to see when there is a lot of extra light around, so some form of blockout is useful.

But at the end of the day, you'll have those conversations no matter what vehicle you choose. Consider rotating the whole family through the vehicle from time to time, including the driver/s. Helps to keep relationships fresh.

Finding your Troopie with a side door is now your challenge.

Tim
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Follow Up By: Mossman - Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 20:56

Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 20:56
Thanks... kids at time of trip are likey to range from 10 to 4. I hear your point re: kids and screens, but we've held firm to the "no screens in car" policy so far, and although I may just be making my own life hell to replicate some misguided idealism from my childhood, we're hoping to keep it that way.

Ask me 7 hours out of Broome and I'll probably be throwing every electronic device I can get my hands on over my shouldrer

Cheers...
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Reply By: pepper2 - Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 13:13

Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 13:13
There is currently a troopy with the extra door advertised on this sites classifieds...
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Reply By: Member - Broodie H3 - Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 15:45

Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 15:45
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Follow Up By: Member - Broodie H3 - Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 15:48

Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 15:48
that came out wrong, It should have read I beleive VW have brought a new 8 seat 4x4 wagon it might be worth a look.
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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 16:07

Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 16:07
Hi Mossman,

Troopies are a great touring vehicle and a good one would serve your needs very well. Just a few points - remember that the rear side windows are fairly high up so if you put bucket seats in it might be hard to see much out of the windows.

Depending on your state you may need an engineers certificate to change the seating configuration.

Be wary of ex-mining vehicles, they may have had hard use and some may have worked in corrosive environments.

Good luck in your search for the ideal vehicle.

Cheers,

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Reply By: Member - Grundle (WA) - Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 18:41

Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 18:41
hi, having worked in the mining industry i would not touch a second hand ex mine veihicle.The troopy or light truck sound like a good option.The more space the better if traverling for some time.

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Reply By: ben_gv3 - Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 21:40

Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 21:40
What about a Mitsu Delica? It has Pajero running gear but with the modern L300 body.
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Reply By: Mossman - Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 21:50

Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 21:50
Thanks for the feedback.

I was wondering if anyone had any experince with the "6-Seat" configuration I've seen in some standard Landcruisers that has a very small space for seating as part of the passengers seat in the front? You'd want the kid in the middle of the front seat to be pretty skinny, but given I'll have 4 kids to rotate through various positions, it may be an option.

As an aside, there's a Troopcarrier for sale on ebay at the moment...

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Sale-2005-WHITE-TOYOTA-LANDCRUISER-4X4-DIESEL-MANUAL-8-SEATER/330827223340pt=AU_Cars&hash=item4d06d6d12c#ht_2865wt_1398

...that has a side door... is this an after-market modification or is there a model that has this as the standard set up?

Thanks again... Mossman
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 21:56

Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 21:56
From the CMCA Member's Market.
Sounds like a good start?

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Cheers,
Peter
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 22:03

Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 22:03
Link for the above....
http://www.cmca.net.au/pages/members_market/NovemberMembersMarket.php

Cheers,
Peter
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Reply By: Eric Experience - Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 21:57

Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 21:57
Mossman.
There are much better things than Toyota's available. Comfort safety and fuel consumption are better with European vehicles. Look at Mercedes Sprinters. VW Transporters, Fiat Ducato, Iveco, A lot of members of this forum will tell you that you can only get parts for Toyota's in the bush, this was true 10 years ago, but modern European vehicles rarely need parts and if they did they can be air freighted over night. So Why put up with such a crude vehicle when you can have so much better for the same money. Eric.
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Follow Up By: Mossman - Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 22:36

Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 22:36
Thanks Eric... the real issue is a vehicle that holds a mob but can still get to far flung places. Before the 4 kids came along, we lived in Arnhem Land for a few years and we'd like to re-visit some old haunts and some places we didn't get to, but this time 4 kids makes it a bit harder. We have a VW Multivan at the moment (slightly upmarket Transporter) and can't speak highly enough of it, but it's not going to tow a camper over some average roads during the wet.

When we lived in the territory, the mantra that Toyota's were the only vehilcle you could get parts for was well and truly alive. It's not so much being set on a Toyota, more a lack of options for off-road trucks that will hold 6 people. We looked long and hard at the Delica's before we bought the VW, but something about being in the bush in a car that was only sold in Japan worried me in terms of service and parts.

cheers...
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 22:09

Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 22:09
We toured most of the country with 4 lids.
First 4wd was a FJ55 - two bench seats - one kid in teh middle of the front sitting on booster with safety harness - it was fun, but wouldn't recommend it for safety!

Replaced it with an 11 seater troopie -HJ47. We removed two seats and replaced it with storage for a fridge and other stuff. But as the kids got bigger we got anxious about them sitting sideways with lap belts.

Replaced the troopie with an 8seater Sahara - HJ61. Fantastic vehicle that was very comfortable for the kids. We towed a trailer and most of the time kept all the seats in so the kids had huge amounts of "elbow room" which helped. On the odd occasion where we left the trailer behind, we removed one half of the 3rd row and replaced it with an Engel and other stuff.

If I were you I'd buy an 8 seater 80/100/200 series and use it the same way as we did the Sahara.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Mossman - Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 22:42

Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 22:42
Thanks Phil... great input!

Do you think an 8-seat Sahara is a viable option for a long trip if you're towing a camper trailer and have 4 kids on board? My initial feelings are that we'd need more storage space in the vehicle if we're planing to head off for an extended period, but I'm happy to be convinced otherwise.

Thanks for the advice.

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Follow Up By: chisel - Friday, Nov 16, 2012 at 22:27

Friday, Nov 16, 2012 at 22:27
Use a roofrack for light, seldom-used things. With a trailer as well you shouldn't need much in the car.

8-seater 100/200 series would get my vote.

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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, Nov 19, 2012 at 21:54

Monday, Nov 19, 2012 at 21:54
Gday Mossman,
As chisel has suggested, try not to put too much stuff inside the vehicle. The kids need their space. The roof iss good for light stuff but try to make it simple to store and unpack.

Not sure what camper trailer you have, but have a look at the trakshak - designed by a family from Adelaide who had 4 kids. Plenty of sleeping space and separate living space.

We couldn't afford one back in those days, so our older kids had their own tent. And when they were little we used foam mats, when they got older they got thermorest type matresses. Required a minimum of setting up on my part. Our main tent would sleep the lot for a single night - I'd suggest your camper trailer should do the same, and maybe pull an extra tent out for the longer stays, to give you a bit more space.

The 8 seater 4wds are great for 4 kids. We also owned a Prado 8 seater after the Sahara, but the kids were older by then, so rarely used the 3rd row. Out of interest, after 8 years of having a single cab ute, we're going back to an 8 seater because the grandkids need to look after their grandparents now :-)

Cheers
Phil
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Reply By: Tim Owen - Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 22:37

Reply By: Smouch - Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 23:15

Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 23:15
Toyota coaster is a good option. It's just about impossible to kill em. With he right tires you'll be supprised how far they go. I've driven one from Cairns up the Daintree/Coast road to Cooktown without any drama. No Joke.
Only real hassel with them is ramp over and rear overhang.
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Friday, Nov 16, 2012 at 00:00

Friday, Nov 16, 2012 at 00:00
I think people over estimate the need for 4wd in a lot of situations.......many of the places people want to go, all the goods and equipment that are there got there on 2wd trucks.
Big wheels, duals on the back and good ground clearance count for a lot.

remember there is nothing stopping you puttingmeaty tyres, a diff lock in the back and a winch on the front of a 2wd.

the coaster will certainly supply the space and the carrying capacity
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Reply By: scoots68 - Friday, Nov 16, 2012 at 09:53

Friday, Nov 16, 2012 at 09:53
We returned from a 3 month trip around Oz in October this year, travelling 20,000km. We have 4 kids aged 7 - 12 and drove a 08 Nissan Pathfinder towing an 08 Expanda. The Pathfinder was great, did not have a hassle the whole time. We chose the Pathfinder for safety reasons - we wanted curtain airbags for the 3rd row of seats in case of an accident and couldn't afford anything more for one of the more expensive & highly regarded vehicles. We went tenting a few times when the van wouldn't make it off road & managed to fit the 6 of us plus a tent, sleeping gear, food etc into the boot as well as using a roof bag on top. Bit squashy and we had to camp light then but it was only for short bursts. As far as 4WD'ing goes we are not hard core off roaders but the car complete with kids & gear safely negotiated the GRR, the Bungle Bungles, Cape Leveque & plenty of other off road sites. Would highly recommend it.
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