12v LED Lights - Battery Advice

Hi there,

Do you have any recommendations as to powering 2x LED strip lights (similar to this) and also a 12v shower?

We usually use a jump pack with a cigarette lighter input which we then connect the lights and shower to however it doesn't seem to have enough juice for a few days, our next trip will be for a week and we need something that will last the distance.

Minimal expense, although happy to get something that will last years and do the job without fail each and every time.

We don't want to take a generator, battery power for us.

Can anyone recommend a simple rechargeable battery for use with these items?

Cheers,

Joel
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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Saturday, Nov 24, 2012 at 16:18

Saturday, Nov 24, 2012 at 16:18
Joel,

I assume that you’d aim to leave home with a fully charged battery, and recharge it when you get home.

The details given by the LED seller are too scrambled to actually guess what current they draw, but I’d expect a little over 1 amp for the pair. Your shower probably draws about 2.5 amps. So on these assumptions, with 4 hours lighting per night (that’s 5 amphours) and say 20 minutes showering (more assumptions!!), you’ll need to supply about 6 amphours per day. For the week that’s about 40 amphours.


To allow the battery to have a long life, best not to discharge more than about 2/3, so a 60 Ah battery should last you a week and live a good long life. Larger the better of course, but bigger is heavier and usually costs more. An AGM battery is probably the best for this sort of use. It should not be left discharged longer than necessary, as all batteries deteriorate if left partially discharged. You will also need a charger – preferably a 3 (or more) stage one suitable for AGM batteries.


You might find parts of Electricity for Camping a useful read.


Cheers

John
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Follow Up By: Joel001 - Saturday, Nov 24, 2012 at 18:06

Saturday, Nov 24, 2012 at 18:06
Your assumptions are almost spot on.
Off the purchase a battery based on your info.
Thanks a tonne John!
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Sunday, Nov 25, 2012 at 07:38

Sunday, Nov 25, 2012 at 07:38
Based on the above a small 30 - 40W solar panel would more than keep up using your existing battery. Less weight and you can stay away forever. Good back up for the vehicle too
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Follow Up By: Member - Nolo (Brisbane) - Sunday, Nov 25, 2012 at 23:00

Sunday, Nov 25, 2012 at 23:00
I'm with you Boobook. So long as OP is not seeking to power a frig, then the jump pack plus a small solar panel will do nicely. To commit to an AGM battery means to commit to the necessary regime of charging and if use is infrequent, they will die as I know from personal experience many years ago. An ebay solar panel can be had for less cost than an AGM battery these days. My two bob's worth.
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Follow Up By: Joel001 - Monday, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:03

Monday, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:03
Hi Boobook and Nolo,
With regard to a solar panel, did you mean that it would charge the jump pack?
Thanks,
John
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Follow Up By: Joel001 - Monday, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:07

Monday, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:07
Perhaps something like http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12V-Mono-Solar-Panel-Home-Energy-Power-Generator-Battery-Charging-Camping-40W-/390502263849?pt=AU_Solar&hash=item5aebbfac29?
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Follow Up By: Joel001 - Monday, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:13

Monday, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:13
Otherwise, would this battery be suitable for around a week?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/321013352407?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Thanks!
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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val - Monday, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:04

Monday, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:04
Joel,

If your jump pack hasn't got the storage capacity to handle your needs, adding a solar panel to charge it daily may be a good way to go, and as suggested could be less expensive than setting up with a fresh battery and charger. You will need a panel such as you refer to, plus a controller. (That panel does not appear to have an on board controller.)

Another option - can the jump pack be charged from the car? Presumably so, in which case you already have a way of charging! To charge from a solar panel you would simply connect the charging line to the output of the solar controller rather than to the vehicle.

Don't overlook the fact that Nolo's comment about the need to keep batteries charged also applies to the one in the jump pack. (Those packs consist of very little more than an AGM battery in a box.)

Cheers

John

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Follow Up By: Member - Nolo (Brisbane) - Monday, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:08

Monday, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:08
Yes John, the solar panel would charge the jump pack daily and replenish the overnight use from the lights and shower. Not sure of the capacity of your jump pack battery but if around the 20Ah mark it should suffice. No doubt the 60 Ah battery you mentioned would be better but where do you stop? For your limited needs I again agree with Boobook, go the solar.

Consensus seems to suggest that size does matter so go for a panel of reasonable size and budget. There have been good reports about this mob Bitdeals here. Big at 120W but future proof and with latest MPPT controller as well. No association etc.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/120W-FOLDING-SOLAR-PANEL-MONOCRYSTALLINE-COMPLETE-SET-MPPT-Caravan-Camping-/360520439175?pt=AU_Solar&hash=item53f0b15587
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Follow Up By: Joel001 - Monday, Dec 10, 2012 at 09:32

Monday, Dec 10, 2012 at 09:32
Thanks again for all of the assistance!

If I wanted to do a complete back-flip on the battery/solar idea and simply purchase a new jump pack as I have a feeling my old jump pack is on it's last legs, would one of these do the trick for a week running a shower pump and possibly 2 x strip lights (we do have a gas lantern which we may use most of the time).

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/BATTERY-JUMP-STARTER-CHARGER-AIR-COMPRESSOR-POWER-PACK-/200641035700?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2eb7233db4

http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/online-store/products/SCA-Jumpstart-1900-Amp-Heavy-Duty.aspx?pid=283448#Description

Thanks again everyone!
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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val - Monday, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:52

Monday, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:52
My initial assumptions show you need about 40 Ah per week. For the sake of battery life, you'd need a at least a 60 Ah battery. The first item you point to is said to have a 20 Ah battery, so not big enough. (It also includes a bit of stuff like an air compressor, which at that price would have to be rubbish.) No specs given on your second link, but at that price I wouldn't expect that it will be adequate - BTW what is a 2 stage charger? On and Off? And what does the 1900 amp rating refer to? Certainly the internal battery won't deliver that. You should be able to look at one of these at SuperCheap, but I think you will be disappointed.

HTH

John
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Follow Up By: Joel001 - Monday, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:55

Monday, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:55
Thanks for your advice John. I agree that for the price some of those so-called 'features' would have to be complete garbage!
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Follow Up By: Member - Nolo (Brisbane) - Monday, Dec 10, 2012 at 13:58

Monday, Dec 10, 2012 at 13:58
Hi Joel.
I agree with John that for a week with no re-charging you would need a battery of around 60Ah capacity. My nephew just bought the Supercheap 1200 Amp jump pack which has a 24 Ah battery so by rough calculation the one you mention probably has around 38 Ah capacity, still short on capacity for a week with no re-charge. I am a fan of the Supercheap model as it combines a nice portable pack with two ciggy outlets, a USB 2a outlet, a light, battery condition monitor, and the ability to jump start your car. For just lights and shower, it is all the basic camper needs. However the longer you camp the more you need to re-charge and that is where the solar is great. Alternatively you would need to re-charge from the car system if taking a drive. Your choice.
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Monday, Dec 10, 2012 at 11:38

Monday, Dec 10, 2012 at 11:38
Hi Joel

We have sort of similar issue and our camping style is minimal so we would never even take a second battery.
Since we now drive an auto we need a means to recharge battery in case of accidents and also power lights, stove, various battery chargers etc around camp.

Our solution was meant to cover all reasonable possibilites.

Basically we carry one of those 18AH gel cells in its own little alcove near back of the car.

Now you may think this isn't enough but trick is to make battery always charged without thinking about it and to use the battery by exception.

I.E. As far as possible we just use cars main battery for powering everything.

We keep a 10m 12vdc extension coord which tends to allow the cars battery to be used a lot of the time.

The gell cell battery has a 50amp anderson plug on it which can mate to one on the cars battery.
This solves the accidental discharge of main car battery problem.
It also has a cigarette ligther plug & socket on it.

The gel cell can be left at camp as required and only occupies 1/2 space of the jump start units.

Now trick is the more or less automatic charging of gell cell in such a way that it doesn't get overcharged.

To do this we put a 12vdc socket onto the cars accessories line near where the gell cell is stored and just plug it into the gell cel - which is its more or less permanent home.
Now this charging lead is fitted with a diode such that the gell cell is always being charged whenever the car is going or accessories are on.
When car is off, the gell cell and things it powers will never discharge the cars battery and overcharging is prevented by diode and length of wire to the gel cell.

Just getting a little more subtle the diode is a special type which effectively lets the gell cell reach its full charge (more details if interested).
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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val - Monday, Dec 10, 2012 at 14:23

Monday, Dec 10, 2012 at 14:23
Hi Robin,

Sounds a good minimalist system. There are a few subtleties here that are worth pointing out to anyone following your example.

I assume that you are using a schottky diode to minimise voltage drop. (There is a voltage drop of at least 0.6V, and when carrying significant current, up to 1.0V or more across normal silicon diodes. The loss across a schottky diode ranges from about 0.15V to 0.45V under similar conditions.)

Robin's other subtlety is the use of a gel battery, not the more usual AGM type. Gel batteries charge at slightly lower voltages than wet vehicle batteries, while AGM's usually require more voltage than the vehicle battery. The combination of a schottky diode with a gel battery is a good way to go for a low power system and might suit Joel's application very well.

Cheers

John
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Monday, Dec 10, 2012 at 14:32

Monday, Dec 10, 2012 at 14:32
Your right on John.

Jaycar part ZR-1029 is a 7A schottky at a cost of $1.50 (2 in parallel recommended) in this application.
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