Back lights on the Dmax have gone mad.
Submitted: Monday, Dec 10, 2012 at 19:21
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Member - Boo Boo (NSW)
G'day all
My wife followed me home Sunday and said my left hand tail light blinked when I put my left hand blinker on.
Yeh right, so I got her to drive the Dmax and she was right, but the tail lights either blinked or dimmed and went out.
My first thought was a poor earth, but would you believe I can't find the earth.
It's a 2011 D max single cab with a pod on the back.
Has anyone had a similar experience and how did you fix it?
Reply By: Member - Murray R (VIC) - Monday, Dec 10, 2012 at 21:47
Monday, Dec 10, 2012 at 21:47
BooBoo
I think that you will find that the rear lights are controlled by one of the cars computers and the globes have different brightness by sending a different frequency to the filament instead of a constant 12 volt supply of old. Your car should still be under warranty so the dealer should be the place to go. don't you just technology
Murray
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Follow Up By: Ross M - Tuesday, Dec 11, 2012 at 10:04
Tuesday, Dec 11, 2012 at 10:04
G'day Murray R
I am really interested in where that line of thinking has originated from.
I don't know of any vehicle which has a frequency control of lamp brilliance.
Some are canbus systems and some are Pulse controlled to turn them on and off, but varying the brilliance is new to me.
If you look at the circuit of a 2011 Dmax you will see the technology to turn on the lamps is similar to any vehicle design that has been used for the last 25 years or more. Hardly any different to my 1986 HJ61 landcruiser.
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Reply By: Ross M - Monday, Dec 10, 2012 at 22:22
Monday, Dec 10, 2012 at 22:22
BooBoo
Unfortunately Murray isn't quite on the mark. The electrics for the lights have no electronic control.
However, they do have normal current flow to the
Park light wire and the Stop light wire and also there is an earth for the trailer all via the plug. Earth is near rear of spare wheel.
If yours is a genuine tow bar then the wires for the left and right flasher go to two dedicated relays which receive the normal flasher signal and feed it to either of the coils of the two relays as required. Supplies both when hazards are on.
There is a full time power wire provided in the loom, and the towbar loom plugs into it and all the signalling wires receive just a signal supply.
When the left or right flasher is activated, the flash signal goes to either of the two relay coils. The relays then switch power from the supply wire in loom to the trailer plug and this is done so any load of the trailer will not alter the flash rate and does not overload the flasher system because on the trailer you might have 1 flasher globe or as many as or more than the vehicle has.
Because your tail lights are being activated it would indicate a connection fault in the trailer plug, ie wire strand touching from left or right flash to brown or red wire.
If the loom has been damaged from your robust offroading then the cable may be squashed and this has effectively shorted the wires together.
In addition to the normal wires in the plug, it also has two extra side terminals which are used to disconnect the reverse sensor earth system ( if fitted) while towing. There is a magnet in the lid and this only connects the reed switch for reverse sensors when the lid is shut.
Cheers
Ross M
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Reply By: Axle - Tuesday, Dec 11, 2012 at 08:57
Tuesday, Dec 11, 2012 at 08:57
G/Day BooBoo, Its annoying ! and you don't know until someone points it out, Hopefully not the law!, .. With the Defender this sort of thing has drove me nuts over the years, always a connection or earth....SOMEWHERE!. Quick Fix,......Maybe a bigger Hammer..lol.
Cheers Axle.
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Reply By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Tuesday, Dec 11, 2012 at 17:13
Tuesday, Dec 11, 2012 at 17:13
G'day fellas
Thanks for all your replies.
The culprit was the scotch connectors they used to connect the lights to the pod.
They were not doing their job.
This has been a very intermittent fault from the time I had the pod fitted 12 months ago, maybe once a month, it is only in the past few days it became frequent..
I had taken it back to the manufacturer a few times but they couldn't find the problem.
I thought it had resolved itself until last Sunday.
The auto electrician in
Quirindi was kind enough to fit me in this afternoon and found the problem straight away.
The Dmax acually produced the problem when he turned the blinkers on, yet the day before I just couldn't get it to produce the problem
He removed all the connectors soldered the wires together and Bob's your uncle.
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Tuesday, Dec 11, 2012 at 18:18
Tuesday, Dec 11, 2012 at 18:18
Boo Boo,
good result. I can't believe they used those scotch type connectors.
RA.
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Follow Up By: Ross M - Tuesday, Dec 11, 2012 at 19:42
Tuesday, Dec 11, 2012 at 19:42
G'day Boo Boo & Rockape.
I can believe they used sotchloks on wiring, that is what they are promoted for use on, but anyone who does use them either doesn't care, has no pride in their workmanship or is ignorant of the problems they cause or all three combined at the one time.
Most problems in motor vehicles are caused by humans and if a problem occurs then what they touched should always be examined first.
Ross M
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Monday, Dec 17, 2012 at 21:08
Monday, Dec 17, 2012 at 21:08
Rockape and
Ross
Even though those bad connectors were no good the problem has not been resolved.
The DA followed me home from
Quirindi and the lights are still playing up. So, the auto elec is having another look tomorrow, he was quite surprised the problem is still there, although he said LED's can be a bit tricky sometimes. I'll get him to drive it around the block this time so I can check that is fixed.
I'll keep everyone informed, hopefully all will be good tomorrow.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Tuesday, Dec 18, 2012 at 16:41
Tuesday, Dec 18, 2012 at 16:41
Not long got back to
Scone from the auto elec.
He tried a few things including second earth.
However, after a bit of soul searching he added a small led trailer light to the tail light giving the trouble and hey presto problem went.
It seems that it needed just a little more resistance.
So the little tail light was taken off and a resistor put on and so far all is good.
Hope this makes sense as I'm not a lekky and am using my words to describe what he did. LOL
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Tuesday, Dec 18, 2012 at 17:00
Tuesday, Dec 18, 2012 at 17:00
Yes it does make sense mate.
Modern vehicles controlled by canbus systems and electronics. Still whether you like it or not that is what everything is going to be.
Because my van has all led clearance, tail and brake lights I have to fit an in line adaptor to the van wiring and that does what you have done.
Even much of the underground equipment is operated and controlled through Can bus.
Good to see you have it sorted.
RA.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Tuesday, Dec 18, 2012 at 18:09
Tuesday, Dec 18, 2012 at 18:09
I'm glad I got the problem resolved before Christmas.
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Reply By: Chris b23 - Saturday, Jan 12, 2013 at 19:30
Saturday, Jan 12, 2013 at 19:30
You need to check fuse they might have blown away
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Sunday, Jan 13, 2013 at 03:48
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