Caravan bottoming out

Submitted: Saturday, Dec 15, 2012 at 20:16
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I have a new van and a very steep driveway and the rear of the van scrapes the driveway. It is a square box type van.
Any suggestions as to how I can drive in and/or out. Tried various heights with the tow bar but no luck. Thought of making a trolley and have it ride under the rear drop down/wind down legs/supports. Is this a bad idea?
Appreciate suggestions

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Reply By: DesF - Saturday, Dec 15, 2012 at 20:38

Saturday, Dec 15, 2012 at 20:38
Hi . My nextdoor neighbour had the same problem , I see he has a pair of 4 or 5" wheels mounted on/under the rear, and it just lifts the van up as he goes in and out.
They are the cast solid rubber ones .
seems to work Ok.
Cheers Des.
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Follow Up By: Lifethics - Saturday, Dec 15, 2012 at 22:47

Saturday, Dec 15, 2012 at 22:47
Hi DesF, thought of this but judging by the scraping on the road they would not last too long and would take a fair load... maybe more damage
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Reply By: Bobjl - Saturday, Dec 15, 2012 at 20:47

Saturday, Dec 15, 2012 at 20:47
Perhaps you could construct a pair of ramps that you could place under front of wheels at the required point so as to raise the rear of the van as you drive up the steep part of the driveway. I gather the new van is not the Off Road Coromal with high rear end shown in the profile.
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Follow Up By: Lifethics - Saturday, Dec 15, 2012 at 22:51

Saturday, Dec 15, 2012 at 22:51
Hi Bobjl. You are right .. moved on from the Coromal but now have no cutout at the back. Thought I would be OK BUT...
tried for a few hours this evening with the help of the neighbor with various sorts of ramp configurations with no luck but I am sure that is the only way to go. The problem is at the point of coming off the road onto our driveway. Quite an angle.
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Reply By: racinrob - Saturday, Dec 15, 2012 at 21:18

Saturday, Dec 15, 2012 at 21:18
Have you considered putting the axle under the springs, that is if it isn't already there ?
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Follow Up By: Lifethics - Saturday, Dec 15, 2012 at 22:51

Saturday, Dec 15, 2012 at 22:51
Thanks for the thought but can't do
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 00:09

Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 00:09
What's the problem? Do you have height restrictions?

The best way to raise a van with leaf spring suspension is to insert packing pieces between the chassis and the spring hangers. Use a piece of 50 x 50 mm tube for a 50 mm rise 75 x 50 mm for a 75 mm rise etc.
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian, SA - Saturday, Dec 15, 2012 at 21:47

Saturday, Dec 15, 2012 at 21:47
Your suggested solution might cause severe van damage, in that asking the rear end of the van to temporarily support weight that the road wheels normally carry is way out of spec. You could damage the chassis or at least over-flex it and damage the van's body structure. As for the drop down legs - even if the chassis could take weight there, the legs are not designed to carry much at all - they are not 'jacks' - and if they were to snag, they might damage more than themselves (mountings). How about temporary steel plates across the driveway's low spot to lessen the angle when moving in and out ? BTW - I have seen the whole of a down-sloping driveway made level with a steel beam and ramp structure (like some retail car yards use to elevate and feature a vehicle) - the 'levelled' space was used for parking a larger van....I only mention it, to illustrate the idea of temporarily remodelling a driveway.
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Follow Up By: Lifethics - Saturday, Dec 15, 2012 at 22:55

Saturday, Dec 15, 2012 at 22:55
Hi Darien, You confirmed what I thought but did not want to admit it. i am a bit worried about spending $$ on ramp stuff and finding what I get does not work. The wife just cam in and suggested for a trial get 4 or so pallets and see what happens. Ummm! I like your steel plate idea and I am sure that will work .. just need to find some. Cheers
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 00:05

Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 00:05
If the rear end of the van is scraping and you can pull it out OK as things now stand, you are not removing much weight from the main wheels. If you were carrying most of the weight from the main wheels you would not be able to pull it in and out. I see no problem with small wheels under the rear of the van to take the abrasion of the chassis.

Have a look at these. I suggest the model DNQ75G /DZF may be suitable.
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Reply By: Ross M - Saturday, Dec 15, 2012 at 22:33

Saturday, Dec 15, 2012 at 22:33
G'day Lifethics
You could use two small low profile hydraulic jacks with a spreader plate at the top to spread the load and by placing the jacks between the axle and the chassis you can raise the height of the caravan to give more clearance. Make sure, if you have shocks, that the shocks are dropped off at the lower end so the temporary raise can be done.

Works on both independent suspension and beam axle too.

If a dual axle apply to the axle which will give the most beneficial amount of lift. I would imagine it to be the rear axle but depending on the profile of the terrain you may have to use the front axle.
You must make sure no point loading is applied to just one spot on the chassis though and the spreader will have to have some serious consideration as to it's strength and profile. Possible a heavy angle iron spreader which has a deep side wall.
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Follow Up By: Lifethics - Saturday, Dec 15, 2012 at 23:07

Saturday, Dec 15, 2012 at 23:07
Hi Ross, spent the last 3-4 hours searching the web to find ideas. About 95% are the same sort of idea but your's is the first with this idea and with the right configuration could do the job. My van has AL-KO independent suspension with telescopic shock absorbers so that can't help here. Perhaps there is another way to look at it... I will look in the morning.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony (ACT) - Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 06:11

Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 06:11
Maybe change the shocks for the pump up type, increase the pressure to lift the van to get into the drive,

Drop back to a lower pressure when on a trip.
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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 08:13

Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 08:13
I would look at air bag bellows to lift the van for that time only, you could hook it up remotely so you just have to stop raise and away you go
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Follow Up By: Lifethics - Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 09:14

Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 09:14
Gday Bonz,
I was thinking of doing that with a normal jack and spreading the load with a small plank then hoping the van would slide. The distance is at max about 2 meters and the lift I need is probably a couple of inches.
I will go and buy a air bag so hopefully the van will slide for the meter or 2 that it needs to. At least more flexible than a jack.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 10:00

Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 10:00
Hey there, I didnt mean a bullbag type thing I meant something like this:

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Reply By: Rockape - Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 08:18

Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 08:18
Mate,
if you have plenty of clearance at your tow hitch when starting your transition from flat to climb then you could use a dropped tow hitch to lower the front of the van and raise the back.

It may just dive you enough clearance.



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Follow Up By: Lifethics - Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 09:18

Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 09:18
Thanks Rockape. My good neighbour made up a special tow hitch and I am going as low as I can ie a cm or so above the ground going down hill. I though when the patrol levels out on the road.. that's when the back of the van digs in, I will deflate the rear tyres and maybe get a few extra cm of lift at the back of the van.
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 09:42

Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 09:42
If the van is just touching I personally wouldn't worry about placing some small wheels on the back to lift the bum just clear of the ground.

It was suggested earlier and there was worry about the van being loaded at that point. I can't see a problem as you are only placing a small load on the chassis.

Your vehicle and road wheels are still taking most of the load.

Many low vans drag their backside at some time or another.

Maybe a combination of long ramps, dropped hitch and jockey wheels will solve the problem.

Ross M suggestion is very good and as long as you don't exceed the travel length of the shocks and springs it would be a great help.

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Reply By: Shaker - Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 09:52

Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 09:52
Wouldn't wheels just exacerbate the problem by their diameter?

Maybe you could use 12mm nylon pads which would be sacrificial, they would be very long lasting & also be easily & cheaply replaced.



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Reply By: Member - bbuzz (NSW) - Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 09:58

Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 09:58
You probably don't wan t to admit it but your missus' idea has merit.
Our local garage has a steep entry angle and most modern cars scraped their bottom and nose going in and out.
He laid a concrete 'plank' in front of the gutter (on the road) and that provided enough lift for the cars to stop scraping. Wasn't very high and the cars just rode up a rounded edge and spanned the gap between the gutter and the road. No water blocking as there was a gap in the gutter.

Try her idea with different thicknesses of board one day by moving back and forwards and watching the height at the back of the van.

It can be left as a permanent solution.

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Follow Up By: Member - Jerry C (WA) - Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 11:59

Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 11:59
Have you considerd reversing the van up the drive ? As the distance between the van axel centre line and the rear end will be somewhat shorter than the distance between the van axel cetre line and the tow hitch. Yes, you may still have to lower your towball height, but not as much.
If it works then you can mount a tow ball on the front of the car which will be easier than reversing.

Good luck. Jerry.
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