Toyota Cab Chassis VS Nissan Patrol Cab Chassis...which one?

Submitted: Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 18:52
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Hi Everyone,

Just want your opinion on the following choice (only). If you had to choose between a 2005 Toyota Landcruiser Cab Chassis 4.2l factory turbo diesel 5 speed manual HDJ79R and a 2005 Nissan Patrol 4.2 l cab chassis factory turbo diesel 5 speed manual ST GU II, which would you choose and WHY?
Please respond in terms of comfort, driveability, towability, reliability, fuel efficiency and so on. Truck will be used to tow a 2750Kg van. Please ignore any difference in purchase price and customer service issues (both out of warranty anyway). Both units have done about 150,000km.
Are there any issues with either model…have heard the Patrol can overheat when towing. Probably weaknesses with Toyota as well. What are the issues with either model?

Thoughts, comments appreciated.
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Reply By: workhorse - Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 19:02

Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 19:02
Which ever one you dont buy I'll take the other. Both great.
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Reply By: The Bantam - Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 19:30

Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 19:30
You may find the partoll has a bit more comfortable driving position.....
the partoll certainly has a stronger drive line.

The factory limited slip dif in the partoll works, the LSD in the toyota wont work for long.

If I was buying a heavy 4wd ute it would be the patrol, if it was a light one it would be the hilux.

are they pre or post common rail...the pre common rail turbo 6 cylinder diesel in the patroll was one of the best small diesel motors ever made.

cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Wamuranman - Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 19:35

Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 19:35
Thanks Bantam for your valuable comments.
As far as I know they are both pre-common rail diesel engines.
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Follow Up By: Member - Toyocrusa (NSW) - Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 19:49

Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 19:49
Niether engine would be common rail. The toyota went to common rail with the V8 and the Nissan went to 3ltr 4 cylinder (Commonly known as the Grenade) The later Toyotas did have electronic fuel injection on the TD6 though. Bob.
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Reply By: mountainman - Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 19:39

Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 19:39
toyota's 1HDFTE will bleep over any patrol diesel ever made.
they are built super strong and can be tweaked with a chip and custom turbo, annd have no issues what ever..
if you had to do the same work on a td42 youd need to spend 10grand on setting up the nissan to get same power upgrade of the cruiser.
up north you dont just see cruisers everywhere for no reason.
they have the reliability, toughness, and parts backup all over australia no one can compare..
nissan do have a better ride, strong driveline but toyota bleep in its bed for everything else.

toyota all the way.
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Reply By: Axle - Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 19:47

Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 19:47
G/Day Mate,........Haven't seen this question asked for a while,Which is better Nissan or Toyo....Lol.....Cab Chassis, neither is really better than the other, But Toyota

Stand alone in sales, Stupid Nissan didn't keep a six cyl diesel going, Hence haven;t had anything to compete with toyo in cab chassis other than their 3ltr in later models where there is no comparison, You would want to be paying a fair bit less for the Nissan IMHO, but there is nothing to say you wont have a great run with one as most owners have.

Cheers Axle.
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Reply By: pop2jocem - Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 19:53

Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 19:53
Both of these models IMHO were the best the two manufacturers built. I am a Toyota man myself but I certainly wouldn't discount that model Patrol for towing a van of the weight you have listed. In standard trim the Toyota may have some performance advantage, take both for a drive.
The Toyota may just edge out the Patrol for parts availability but not by much.
If I had to choose I would have a close look at the condition and service history (if available) of both and make my decision base on those parameters rather than who made them.

Cheers
Pop
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Reply By: Member - Serendipity(WA) - Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 21:06

Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 21:06
From your description you are comparing a coil sprung nissan to a leaf sprung toyota. If it was the leaf sprung nissan I would say nissan might have the edge.

I might need a nissan expert here but I thought the coil sprung nissan has a lighter diff and chassis setup to the leaf sprung model. It would certainly give the better ride on coils but it has a lighter load carrying GMV too.

Motors and gearboxes would be about the same. I prefer the landcruiser sitting position and sitting height. I find the dash in the nissan is a lot higher.

My son drives a 2006 leaf sprung DX ute and I have had older landcruiser ute and now a newer VDJ. His is certainly impressive for power, gearbox and performance. I just feel like I sit a bit lower in the cab with the higher dash.

I think if nissan had kept the 6 cyl line up against the toyota 6cyl line up they where overtaking toyota in sales - partly due to pricing but the nissan where performing.

It might just be the price with these two very equally matched 4x4s.

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Follow Up By: Member - Wamuranman - Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 21:24

Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 21:24
Yes Serendipity I am comparing a leaf sprung Toyota with a coil sprung Nissan. Thats just how it turned out...I think all Toyota cab chassis are leaf sprung in that era.
But why do you prefer the leaf sprung Nissan...is it just the GVM issue ? As a long distance tourer I would have thought the coils would be preferable for comfort at least?

Thanks for the comment though, appreciated (everyone).
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Follow Up By: Member - Serendipity(WA) - Monday, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:45

Monday, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:45
My son's patrol had a suspension upgrade before he bought it and he found the heavy leaf springs too much. He has recently changed them to parabolic springs to he can have a soft ride when not loaded but still carry a heavy load when needed.

The only issue with coils is they have sacrificed strength for comfort. Which in the long run do you want?



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Reply By: lizard - Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 21:44

Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 21:44
I have a 4.2 ST 2006 , coil cab , these have a GCM that allows them only to tow 2500 kg - unless upgraded(mine is) , am not sure what the Toyota can tow . The Toyota has more power (but it is low geared , and if you tow in 4th - as recommended - then revs will be higher) , Patrol g/box and diffs are strong , and I prefer the Patrol interior - I tried the Toyota but the seat & legroom & plain interior were enough for me
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Follow Up By: Member - Wamuranman - Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 21:51

Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 21:51
I was wondering about that actually...its a bit weird. Some desciptions on carsales say 2500kg and some say 3500kg braked towing. Was there a factory upgrade option that you could get when buying new? Else what is involved in upgrading post new...I think it would be a big job...engineers report etc etc.

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Follow Up By: lizard - Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 22:09

Sunday, Dec 16, 2012 at 22:09
I think the change in GCM occurred about the time change from 4.2 to 3.0 litre motor - no change in chassis ...... I had a chassis modification certified by a Signatory Engineer & approved by DPI - new VIN number & plate & file number ... wasn't that expensive .
Even though 4.2 Patrol is only 114kw - we tow our van easily at 90 km/hr all day and night - no temp issues ..... long hills like Horrocks Pass , around Currajong like country soon have you down a gear (or two or three) Van weighs 2.7 tonnes
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Monday, Dec 17, 2012 at 06:07

Monday, Dec 17, 2012 at 06:07
The Patrol cab chassis was available as coil rear suspension and leaf rear. As far as I am aware the leaf has a heavier payload. Maybe that is it.
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Reply By: mountainman - Monday, Dec 17, 2012 at 06:53

Monday, Dec 17, 2012 at 06:53
nissan has never got anywhere near the sales of toyota landcruiser, or even the hilux.

if the nissan engine is the same as the toyota THEN WHY do you see NISSAN OWNERS paying for 1HDFTE CONVERSIONS INTO THEIR VEHICLES.
it bleep s over any nissan diesel current or previous.. even the v6 550nm nissan brought out. they have discontinued that engine in their lineup.. now thats saying something!!
yes both straight 6 diesels are proven performers, but if you were towing, day in day out, the 1HDFTE is the prefered engine, no overheating issues like the td42 has!!
even then the the toyota engine can be seriously tweaked and have no overheating issues..
custom turbos in perth has a 1HDFTE and done his turbo mods and it HAMMERS..
it will happily beat the v8 100 series landcruiser and possibly the v8 diesel toyota has now.
the patrol has issues with its coil towers, with heavy loads, the towers DO CRACK.
heavy loads the leaf patrol is better than the coil patrol, and properly setup aftermarket suspension, the ride will be near on coil, when loaded..
even yanmah marine engines are 1HDFTE these are rated at a 1000nm..
sadly they said that they are no good for vehicles as the torque is pretty well straight up and will destroy any driveline you have.. thats why they are put into boats..

you will never find a whinging toyota owner crying about lack of power with a 1HDFTE. i know of many nissan owners dream of why nissan never came up with the 1HDFTE design, but thats what toyota does. IT spend r&d money on its engines, and reflects in the higher prices, sometimes they charge too much but when you have double the customers of its competition then you realy can charge what you want,
sady with the hilux they could do some engine developement work to be up with current models available on the market, but they still are no1 in that segment.. as well.
you will never go wrong in a cruiser, and towing it will even be more soo..
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Reply By: Member - Wamuranman - Monday, Dec 17, 2012 at 08:54

Monday, Dec 17, 2012 at 08:54
Thanks for the response everyone.
But it hasn't made the choice any easier.... probably polarised our views actually...lol.
There is no doubt the 1HDFTE engine is one of the best. It has an excellent reputation...there is no question of that. I prefer the Toyota myself.
But SWMBO (sometimes) prefers the Patrol as the cabin is less "industrial" and the extra comfort of the Patrol coil suspension is also significant for us as long distance driving will be necessary some days. The Patrol's strong drive train is also a big plus.
So it will probably come down to a trade off between mechanical excellence verses creature comforts.
Decisions.....
Cheers
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Reply By: GEMAC Solar and Power - Monday, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:45

Monday, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:45
Hi Wamura

Be Very Aware.

I had a 4.2 TD Nissan cab chassis
I was duped into it being the workhorse of the fleet.
Then I was told...

CAN ONLY TOW 2500kgs.

yes the cab chassis in the nissan range and the 4.2 will only tow thet load but the wagon will do 3500kgs
then they bought oyt the 3 lit common rail model
Only change was the motor and g/box.
raised towing capacity to 3300kgs

Tried to get mine recertified to that
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NO WAY

So be aware, you say yr van is 2750 kgs

Nissan would not discuss at all
I was told by the sales people when I bought it new

regards

Geoff
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Follow Up By: Member - Wamuranman - Monday, Dec 17, 2012 at 20:15

Monday, Dec 17, 2012 at 20:15
Yes Geoff I am aware that some cab chassis have a limit of 2500kg. I would never tow over what is legal. But it appears there are many Patrols that have had a braked tow capacity upgrade or leaf springs or whatever. I also posted on the Nissan Patrol Forum and had a response from a cab chassis owner where the braked tow capacity was 3500kg. So it is possible.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, Dec 17, 2012 at 21:05

Monday, Dec 17, 2012 at 21:05
The HDJ79 will tow 3.5T all day. Strong motor, strong gearbox and better fuel consumption than the Nissan.

The TD42 is an equally reliable vehicle, with stronger diffs than the Toyota, but the archilles heel is the chassis - the coil cab in particular needs aftermarket chassis strengthening if you plan on towing and it is essential if towing off road. The leaf spring patrol can crack forward of the front hangers. Don't have these dramas with the 79series.
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Reply By: Life Member Tour Boy( Bundy) - Monday, Dec 17, 2012 at 23:26

Monday, Dec 17, 2012 at 23:26
The 79 series cruiser has coils in the front and longer leaves in the rear than the previous 75 series which ride quite well in reality. However you can get parabolic springs for the rear of both. For my money it would be the tojo, I have seen spring towers and chassis cracks in too many patrols. The transplanting of a tojo motor into the patrol for power and reliability is about $15k extra.
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