1HZ shims
Submitted: Tuesday, Dec 25, 2012 at 17:54
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ironJosh
Hi all, just thought I would
check my valve shim clearance today to see if I needed new shims. My findings were that my intake valve clearance average is about .1mm (supposed to be .15-.25mm) and my extake valve clearance average is about .15mm (supposed to be .35-.45). Has anyone run into this? Do you think someone has done this to gain power or something? Can such a small clearance ruin my engine?
Thanks
Josh
Reply By: Member - Robert (WA) - Tuesday, Dec 25, 2012 at 18:33
Tuesday, Dec 25, 2012 at 18:33
Hi Josh
The small clearance is due to the valves receding into the head this is normal.
To get the clearance back to speck you will have to remove the shims one at a time and measure the thickness of the shim then deduct the clearance you require
To know what size shim that you need to put back in its place normally a smaller shim.
If you run to small a clearance you can burn out the exhaust valves and the engine will not run all that
well
Hope this helps
Robert
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Reply By: Ross M - Tuesday, Dec 25, 2012 at 19:23
Tuesday, Dec 25, 2012 at 19:23
Make sure you know the thicknesses of all shims so they can be used to correct the clearances in as many
places as possible and then only the remainder have to be purchased from Toyota or sourced from a wrecker or engine rebuilder workshop.
I suspect the same shims may be used in a number of Toyota engine and although they aren't necessarily 1HZ they will fit and do your job. You will have to
check this of course.
Since you will know the thickness of the ones which need to be replaced, simple measuring of available shims will identify the required thicknesses for these.
Make sure you draw up a chart of all shim thicknesses and their positions under each cam lobe so you don't lose track of what you require.
Ross M
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Dec 25, 2012 at 21:48
Tuesday, Dec 25, 2012 at 21:48
John,
I adjusted the shims on my daughter's Hzj80 2 years ago and after measuring and swapping various shims, about 6 needed adjusting. I'm sure this all sounds a bit dodgy but it worked fine.
I made up a tool to depress the bucket to remove each shim. The tool was pretty simple - a length of 13mm RHS with a long M6 bolt at one end that bolted into the rocker cover sockets, and the other end had a bent M6 bolt that depressed the bucket. Needed 3 hands to work it though :-)
I grinded the shims with a belt sander inverted in a vice and measured them with the Micrometer.
Alternatively if you want new shims, they are about $20 each from Toyota or about $12 each from Don Kyatts.
I'll be checking the daughter's vehicle again in the next couple of days as she's down from
Brisbane - I'm hoping they haven't changed much in the last 55,000k!
Cheers
phil
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Reply By: Ross M - Tuesday, Dec 25, 2012 at 22:39
Tuesday, Dec 25, 2012 at 22:39
ironJosh
Making up that removal tool is a sound idea, it will be good to have and use both now and into the future.
Yes you will have to take out each one, no real need to remove cam, and carefully measure each one as mentioned earlier.
As also suggested by a few of us, change them around, once you know what the gaps are and what each shim thickness is. Then you slot the correct ones into where they are needed.
Some removal of thickness can be done by lapping them on a piece of wet &dry paper only on the underside surface though, until you achieve the desired reduction in thickness.
If you do this you probably won't have to buy very many at all.
The removal amounts is small and generally about 0.1 to 0.15 from what you have said.
If you are prepared to reduce them in this way none will be bought.
Use a good digital caliper, zeroed frequently, or a micrometer to maintain accuracy.
If the mixing and matching doesn't fix most, all the shims you have to thin down must be done evenly so they don't become tapered in the process.
As mentioned. Lots of Toyotas have shims and if you get suitable shims from stuffed heads at the wreckers then you will have a vast selection of thicknesses to choose from.
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Reply By: Ozhumvee - Wednesday, Dec 26, 2012 at 07:39
Wednesday, Dec 26, 2012 at 07:39
As Phil said you can get away with reusing and swapping the shims between valves to get the correct clearance, I've done it half a dozen times on different engines and you rarely need more than half a dozen new ones.
What we also found was that once done to correct clearances at around the 50-100k mark they rarely needed doing again.
The genuine tool from Toyota was pretty cheap from memory, was very similar to one I had for a Volvo engine too.
I've also seen one made from a small G clamp.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Dec 29, 2012 at 20:28
Saturday, Dec 29, 2012 at 20:28
Gday Peter,
Checked my daughters HZJ80 valve clearances again yesterday while she's down from
Brisbane and like you say - they have not changed at all in 55,000k. All within spec. I'm disappointed I didn't even need the belt sander :-))
I'm guessing you're still in the US - watch out for the fiscal
cliff :-))
Cheers
Phil
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Follow Up By: Ozhumvee - Sunday, Dec 30, 2012 at 00:34
Sunday, Dec 30, 2012 at 00:34
Phil
Yep still in the US, over in Georgia.
We came to the conclusion after the tool had been used on about a dozen 1HZ's that few were correct from the factory.
We suspected that the factory was relying on the dealers to pick it up at the first "free" service as it was an item to be done. As we know they never do anything at that service so the engine is left to run at those settings until someone adjusts them.
All engines after doing the valve adjustment had more power and were smoother to drive. Most had tight exhaust valves and loose inlets so getting them back to spec always helped.
The fact that once adjusted correctly they never seemed to wear or go out of adjustment, even over 500k or more seemed to confirm our suspicions.
One of the club members actually bought the tool (was relatively cheap at the time) and the tool just went around being used, you picked up shims out of the box to use and put your old ones back in, we rarely had to buy more than tow or three at a time.
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Reply By: ironJosh - Wednesday, Dec 26, 2012 at 08:40
Wednesday, Dec 26, 2012 at 08:40
Thanks men. Yeah I guess I'll just take all the shims out, and see which ones I can use somewhere else. Hopefully a lot of the exhaust ones can be used on the intake valves. I'd rather just buy them than stuff around trying to thickness them on a belt sander. Time is money, and I don't have much time...
I have found a business called precision shims that another guy on the offroad80's
forum recommended, I might look at them and Don Kyatt also. I'll also call a few wreckers and see what I can find.
Thanks for all your help guy's.
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Follow Up By: Member - Toyocrusa (NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 26, 2012 at 10:11
Wednesday, Dec 26, 2012 at 10:11
Loved your description,"extake' valves. Gonna keep that one in the memory bank.lol. Hope it works out for you. Bob
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Follow Up By: Dust-Devil - Wednesday, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:33
Wednesday, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:33
Toyocrusa
Totally agree with you dude, however nothing beats :
"I grinded the shims with a belt sander inverted in a vice and measured them with the Micrometer".
This is my No. 1
camp fire story for 2013
Happy new year to you
DD
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Follow Up By: ironJosh - Wednesday, Dec 26, 2012 at 15:09
Wednesday, Dec 26, 2012 at 15:09
Extake? Spell
check was wrong I guess.
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Follow Up By: Ross M - Wednesday, Dec 26, 2012 at 20:06
Wednesday, Dec 26, 2012 at 20:06
Grinding shims on a belt sander????????
I bet the precision cam above just loves the uneven point contact the shim is now providing.
But to be fair I though I was reasonably precise with some things I do but this far exceeds any of my skills.
I only taught this stuff to apprentices.
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Follow Up By: Axle - Thursday, Dec 27, 2012 at 09:59
Thursday, Dec 27, 2012 at 09:59
LOL
Ross, My mate had a XJ6 Jag, and he ground his shims down on a bench grinder,.....needless to say it ran like a bucket of you know what!
Cheers Axle
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Follow Up By: Ross M - Thursday, Dec 27, 2012 at 17:48
Thursday, Dec 27, 2012 at 17:48
Axle
My first experience with shims was on the bosses P38 1/2 of 76 because they were only half as good as they said.
In those days we did thin the shims because the boss wouldn't spend the money. We used the machinery workshop and "adjusted shims" and the previously untuneable rough running pig ran beautifully afterwards, albeit with a few gaps a bit too big though.
Economy went up too.
Ross M
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Reply By: Dust-Devil - Wednesday, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:39
Wednesday, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:39
I-J
Just follow what Humvee Peter said and you will have no troubles at all. OEM removal tool from Toyota or after market from Don Kyatt (If they have one).
Source required shims from Kyatts, engine reconditioner/s, wreckers and Toyota as a last option.
If you decide to:
Quote "I grinded the shims with a belt sander inverted in a vice and measured them with the Micrometer".
Pleeeeeease!, please take a video of you doing so and post it for all to see how its done.
Regards
DD
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Follow Up By: ironJosh - Wednesday, Dec 26, 2012 at 15:11
Wednesday, Dec 26, 2012 at 15:11
No thanks, that would be rude.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Dec 26, 2012 at 19:23
Wednesday, Dec 26, 2012 at 19:23
So DD, I guess you're too gutless to reply directly to me above......
Its very simple - just use a spare bucket to control the shim and rotate it on the belt sander - gets a good even finish and controls the grinding
well. As mentioned above, only grind the underside. Takes a few minutes each shim.
Why don't you have another beer....hehe
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Follow Up By: Dust-Devil - Wednesday, Jan 02, 2013 at 17:02
Wednesday, Jan 02, 2013 at 17:02
Phil G
Just put the video on the
forum as requested and stop sooking.
Oh! it will the No. 1
camp fire story for ever now, Definitely up there with the 2001 'Bush Mechanics' TV series.
DD
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Jan 02, 2013 at 19:07
Wednesday, Jan 02, 2013 at 19:07
Bye bye Nick!
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