Tuesday, Jan 08, 2013 at 11:35
410
Just a small shot gun eh?
The issue of additional filters. My views.
Firstly, yours is a CRD engine and will have a cooler or system to keep the fuel cool which is being delivered to the engine. DON'T fit a fuel filter in the engine bay because it will be heated by the underbonnet temp and begin to negate the essential cooling already being provided..
Some WATER watch systems do watch quite well but don't remove any water from the fuel, you then have to act.
Yes, You can fit a filter and it is best between the tank and the OE filter of you vehicle.
This leaves the OE filter as the main filter the extra one as a pre filter/dewaterer if you choose one of those.
Water funnels, while good for obvious water which you can see, don't in any way filter out emulsified water which is usually the problem. The large lumps, if present, will generally sit in the bottom of the filter housing and aren't a problem until it gets to the 'too much' level. Emulsified water is worse cos it is highly mobile with the fuel flow.
Otherwise nearly every diesel with a drop of visible H2O in the bottom of it's filter would be stopped on the side of the road. NOT SO.
You should fit a filter which dewaters and also filters out the crap and generally the finer the micron size ie 5 or less is good to have. A finer filter will block or restrict more frequently so extra filters have to be carried. Sometimes for an engine which can drink faster, the flow rate of the additional filter is also and issue as is, it's designed ability to provide the necessary flow with little or no restriction.
Sometimes, two filters side by side ie plumbed in parallel, is required so flow rate and restriction in the event of partial contamination doesn't cause cavitation and starvation of your high pressure pump. If it does experience starvation it will damage it.
Mine is a Donaldson P902976 low flow filter kit on 3litre with a flow rate of around 120litre/hr, the vehicle requires 30-40lph flow rate so is ok. Your system will possibly flow greater than that and the twin or a larger capacity filter will be required.
Mine is as a pre filter and still retains the OE as the maker wants it with restriction warning device/sensor still active.
If the filter, mine doesn't, have an electronic warning of "presence of water" you have to be the checking/deciding component in the performance of your filter.
If mounted underneath, you check it along with other items each day before you move off.
If you have one fitted, contaminate it with water prior to fuelling it, so you know the system warns you.
Don't just trust it to do so. You might just drive to mechanical oblivion totally unaware of the disaster happening under your bonnet.
Evaluate this, my views will be regarded as rubbish by many, but I see and hear of so many who have had trouble. Contact Donaldson or other filter people and ask for their recommendation for your vehicle.
Cheers
Ross M
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Follow Up By: 410 - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2013 at 13:12
Tuesday, Jan 08, 2013 at 13:12
Hi
Ross
Thankyou and everyone else for the advice. The 200 does have a alarm where if the light flashes you drain water from fuel bowl if light stays on " head to a a Toyota dealership immediatley " all good if your are near one ? I have heard of the Donaldson filter.
Regards
Richard
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Follow Up By: Kris and Kev - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2013 at 15:26
Tuesday, Jan 08, 2013 at 15:26
Richard, unless they have changed in the newer models, the warning light will not go out unless you do the reset procedure. I learnt the hard way about carrying a spare filter. Got some dirty fuel in
the Kimberley, light came on, pumped several times, reset the warning light and all Ok until about 120 kilometres, light came back on, pumped and reset, again light came back after about 120 k's. Did not have a spare, had to keep going to
Kununurra, weekend so we had to set up until the Monday so I could buy another filter. The bottom of the bowl had heaps of dirt and the filter was as black as. Now, carry a spare and clean the bowl and change the filter after/before a big trip. Cheap maintenance compared to the cost of a damaged engine.
Kevin
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Follow Up By: 410 - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2013 at 15:35
Tuesday, Jan 08, 2013 at 15:35
Hi Kris and Kev
Thankyou for the info, i will have a spare filter.
Richard
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Follow Up By: bluefella - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2013 at 15:57
Tuesday, Jan 08, 2013 at 15:57
waterwatch picks up the water BEFORE the original filter, so no water gets to your main filter, this eliminates any possibility of water running around your filter before being sent to the bottom of the filter, waterwatch is as easy to drain as the tojo filter,the alarm tests when you turn the ignition on, if water was detected (even the smallest amount) when driving it'll let you know,it's BL###Y loud.
thats the system i use in my 100s td.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2013 at 16:38
Tuesday, Jan 08, 2013 at 16:38
410, I have a 200 and the fuel filter warning light has come on twice in 100,000km. Both times about 30 mins after filling at remote service stations.
You should always carry a spare fuel filter, spanners and a 5mm allen key.
First crack the 3 hex bolts for the lid of the filter assy,
Undo the 2 connectors to the unit
then undo the 2 nuts holding it to the body.
Make sure area is clean of dust etc
Remove the top / lid with hoses attached
Pull out filter and discard, clean bowl with a clean rag
Insert the new filter and o ring
Put lid on with allen bolts tigntened gently
put whole assy on 2 mounting bolts and tighten the 2 nuts
tighten the 3 allen key bolts
Phump the primer for about 2 - 3 minutes until it is HARD to push
Start vehicle, if you primed it properly it will start straight away, if not keep priming
Now you must reset the warning light
Reconnect both plugs while ignition is on
turn off vehicle
wait 10 seconds
turn it on
Hey presto.
This whole procedure will take you about 30 minutes first time and 15 after that.
Print this out and put it in the filter box with a 5mm allen key.
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Follow Up By: 410 - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2013 at 16:48
Tuesday, Jan 08, 2013 at 16:48
Thankyou all
I really appreciate the advice and Boobook well done for the how to change. I bet more than i will print this.
Richard
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2013 at 17:13
Tuesday, Jan 08, 2013 at 17:13
Actually a member of Lcool posted it originally and it has saved me twice.
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Follow Up By: Member - Old Girl - Tuesday, Jan 08, 2013 at 21:42
Tuesday, Jan 08, 2013 at 21:42
Read and done the same thing Boobook.
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