Rust Prevetion/Stopper?

Hi,

Please help:

Will an electronic rust prevention/stopper really work in any veheicles , eg. in my rusted Hilux?

The unit charges electrons into the car body, etc... to prevent/stop rust.

Manufacturers/shops claims they really work but...
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Reply By: Groove - Saturday, Jan 24, 2004 at 19:07

Saturday, Jan 24, 2004 at 19:07
Well thats a good question leck. There are those on this forum who swear by them then there is Dr Karl
Check this link

Cheers
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Reply By: Member - StevenL - Saturday, Jan 24, 2004 at 20:27

Saturday, Jan 24, 2004 at 20:27
Having read much of Dr Karl's work I am much more inclined to believe him than the girl at the Toyota Dealer who appears 35 seconds after you sign the Sales Order who then tries to sell you "$5000 worth" of Electronic Rust prevention, Paint Protection, Seat Protection, Dashboard Protection, Window Tint and a few other bits an' pieces. When I did not seem interested after she droned on about the benefits (read out the brochure to me) the price of this package dropped miraculously to $1,600. How could I not take advantage to protect my lovely new purchase she says?

To hear now that the US Authorities are getting court orders to stop dealers selling electronic rust prevention that does not (scientifically cannot?) work only reinforces my will. How many people do they sign up to this in that heady moment just after you signed on for nearly 60 Grand. All they need is another "Customer Authorisation" signature on this little slip and your car will be delivered fully protected from all that nasty tree sap, coffee stains etc.

The only really useful part that I can see is the Window Tinting, and while she goes on about "nightmare bubble jobs" by aftermarket shonks, I sure I can get a good job done for less than $700.

StevenLPrado GXL TD Manual
It's on order, Delivery in April '04.
This pic will have to do till then. Can't wait!!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Peter [SA] - Saturday, Jan 24, 2004 at 21:02

Saturday, Jan 24, 2004 at 21:02
Hey Steveni that nice young lady at CMI sucked me in evetually, but failed to tell me I had to take my vehicle to a 3rd party every 12 months for an inspection at my expense. I think the ERP is crap anyway as i have a small spot of surface rust anyway which is covered by new car warranty.
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Follow Up By: goingplatinumcomau - Sunday, Jan 25, 2004 at 01:16

Sunday, Jan 25, 2004 at 01:16
Yes i have witnessed the sales spool 35 seconds after the sign up

It is a case of where when who ...............and when you track the companies involved down .....................Guess what the cash price is 1/3 of what the blond bimboes want to sell it for .
So the case of homework and some checking out.........which is your right to do so.
After all it is only a product they are selling and you have rights .......also good Question to ask is who do i shoot if i have un aided problems with the Car and get there photo lol.

Shane
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Jan 25, 2004 at 08:49

Sunday, Jan 25, 2004 at 08:49
we got the tinting on the Patrol worth every $$ ($250) but forgot its a film on the glass and have marked it on the back windows with something against it on a big trip - bugger!If you hold your heart and focus,
you will end up holding your dream
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Reply By: leck - Saturday, Jan 24, 2004 at 21:31

Saturday, Jan 24, 2004 at 21:31
Thank you for the reply to my question in regard to the rust prevention/stopper.

I can smell some thing now.

Thank you.
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Reply By: MartyB - Saturday, Jan 24, 2004 at 23:01

Saturday, Jan 24, 2004 at 23:01
I put one of these on my Jackaroo about 5 years ago. ERPS brand.
Vehicle did mulitple trips to Fraser Island and never had any rust at all.
Vehicle was also rust proofed when brand new & I sprayed fishoil penetrol mix into it once a year.
Maybe if the ERPS was not fitted it would not have rusted anyway, but when I sold the vehicle I removed the unit & have nearly got around to fitting it to my current vehicle.
My opinion is that it will not stop rust, nothing else will either. But it seems to help slowing down the rust. Used as well as normal rustproofing you should not have any rust problems. But fitting it to a vehicle that already has rust is a waste of time.

National Parks on Fraser can still get their vehicles to rust with the ERPS fitted. Permanently on Fraser & not washed down properly, but they take longer before rusting.
Interesting in the 5 years I owned the Jackaroo I did not have any other corrosion problems either, never replaced a water pump of thermostat housing.

from Marty.
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Follow Up By: Member - DOZER- Sunday, Jan 25, 2004 at 13:42

Sunday, Jan 25, 2004 at 13:42
Hi
A friend mounted one to his second hand 75 series 1hz diesel ute. He had rust in the windscreen pillar b4 it was installed, and, still did a few years later when he replaced the panel...didnt get worse, didnt get better.
However, as an experiment, he took one bolt out of the rad support panel and put in its place a mld steel unpainted one, thinking it would be rusty in a week. The only thing that it attracts is a white sort of powder stuff that can be wiped off to show a shiney headed bolt head.
I think they do work, however a bolt up front is different to moisture between 2 panels at a joint, is different to salt sitting at a welded joint etc etc
Now i know there are electronic things that you plug into the house to scare away the mice, and they are a sham, but maybe these electro jiggers can slow unseen corrosion between panels where it starts.
Andrew
wheredayathinkwer mike?
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Reply By: leck - Saturday, Jan 24, 2004 at 23:55

Saturday, Jan 24, 2004 at 23:55
Thank you for your valuable info.
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Reply By: Member - Oskar(Bris) - Sunday, Jan 25, 2004 at 12:06

Sunday, Jan 25, 2004 at 12:06
Leck
I had my '92 Nissan Terrano fitted with an ERPS system 4 years ago and have made multiple trips to salt water beaches every year since then. (Fraser Is at least once a year). I have no rust in my car despite MANY trips up the beach.
The thing you only really know is if the system DOESN'T work rather than proving that it DOES work, if you understand what I mean.
Despite that, I would fit another one to my next car without question. (Maybe until I read what this Dr Karl says.....)
Some after market companies offer up to 10 years rust free guarantee.
Cheers
OskarThe real oskar
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Follow Up By: Member - Peter [SA] - Monday, Jan 26, 2004 at 02:36

Monday, Jan 26, 2004 at 02:36
My system comes with a LIFETIME warranty as long as I am the original owner, but then I havent been back for the yearly inspection.
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Reply By: Rowen - Sunday, Jan 25, 2004 at 13:47

Sunday, Jan 25, 2004 at 13:47
Howdy all

Just on the topic of rustproofing, i hear that fish oil is the ducks guts ( like mentioned above ). Whats the best application procedure? do u just get ahold of the stuff & apply it everywhere? as simple as that?

cheers
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Follow Up By: MartyB - Sunday, Jan 25, 2004 at 14:06

Sunday, Jan 25, 2004 at 14:06
Hi Rowen,
I mix fish oil & penetrol 50/50. I simply remove door linings etc & apply it with either a paint brush or one of those $1 spray bottles you buy at supermarkets.
Note a fair bit will drip out of the vehicle for a while so don't park it on the cement for the first day. After that it will dry & stop driping.
Car will smell fishy for a while also.

from Marty.
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Follow Up By: Rowen - Sunday, Jan 25, 2004 at 14:51

Sunday, Jan 25, 2004 at 14:51
Thanks Marty. sounds 2 easy.

Um, can u whack it on just about everywhere? around the gutters? all exterior panels? the floor?

cheers again

rowen
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Follow Up By: MartyB - Sunday, Jan 25, 2004 at 16:52

Sunday, Jan 25, 2004 at 16:52
Hi Rowen,
It is easy, but no don't put it anywhere it will show.
Remove the door linings & spray inside, it will leak out the holes in the bottom of the door. Lift the floor mats or carpet & brush it on. Lift the bonnet & spray it into all the out of way areas. On the underside of the bonnet there is usually holes in the strengthing rails where it can be sprayed. Where ever it runs onto visible paintwork clean it off before it dries. Get under the car & basically spray it everwhere that could rust. Have a good look under the car for any areas that can collect mud, clean them out then spray them. You can block some of the holes in the chassis with tape & then pour some into the chassis. Basically you spray too much around & then park it somewhere it can leak.
I bought 5 litres of both fishoil & penetrol & mix up a litre at a time. You don't have to do the whole vehicle in one go, for example the other day I had my battery out so I cleaned under it & painted some on. I usually have a half full litre bottle that use for small areas, it is an old kero bottle & it keeps for ages in the bottle without going hard.
from Marty.
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Reply By: Rick Blaine - Sunday, Jan 25, 2004 at 22:52

Sunday, Jan 25, 2004 at 22:52
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... a blonde bimbo in hipster pants with the top of her Gstring showing can sell anything......I have an old steam yacht which is attacked by rust and the most efficient way to get rid of it is to give the rust a wash down with Deoxidine 624 let it dry and give it a squirt with some cold gal....
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Follow Up By: Member - StevenL - Sunday, Jan 25, 2004 at 23:01

Sunday, Jan 25, 2004 at 23:01
The one selling to me had some generous cleavage showing (it was a wrm day after all!)

This is the 4th New Car Deal I have done over the years and I have never had a bloke trying to sell this add on stuff. Always the pretty young thing!

StevenLPrado GXL TD Manual
It's on order, Delivery in April '04.
This pic will have to do till then. Can't wait!!!
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Reply By: joc45 - Monday, Jan 26, 2004 at 13:06

Monday, Jan 26, 2004 at 13:06
The other thing one has to remember when getting this stuff added when buying the vehicle is (in WA, at least) that it increases the purchase price and as a consequence, the stamp duty that you pay. It's much better to go out and buy whatever after the purchase of the vehicle, then the stamp duty doesn't apply.

I had a bloke pushing all the stuff, rather than a blonde bimbo, but I directed him to my 12-yo GQ outside (no rust-proofing applied) and told him that if my new Nissan GU is as rust-free as the old GQ after that period, I would be quite happy. Tinting? I pointed out that the sales brochure quoted tinted windows in the ST (yeh, well it's pretty mild tinting). Immobiliser? Their $450 immobiliser didn't do anything more than the $120 one bought from a specialist security mob.
Gerry
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Reply By: Dave from Fraser Coast 4WD Club - Monday, Jan 26, 2004 at 20:22

Monday, Jan 26, 2004 at 20:22
If your vehicle is parked on a beach, the EPRS might work as it is basicly surrounded by a conductive 'fluid', this is why testimonials from fisherman and surf clubs abound.

For the rest of us, they can't work, it's bad science.
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