New Patrol and the petrol vs diesel debate

Amazing that the price quoted for the petrol only version is dearer then what you can get a new diesel Landcruiser now for? Kevin

I guess now that all the trucks, earth moving mining gear etc. will convert to petrol motors as soon as they view that bit of advertising?

Nick

"Beyond belief" is correct - beyond belief that whoever wrote the hyperbolic script and whoever approved it thinks they will get away with it. Talking about relative efficiency in the context of a petrol V diesel debate is simply making a rod for your own back. But at least they didn't touch the torque question, lol. They're either happy to be laughing stocks or perhaps they know and just want to get tongues wagging - the old 'any publicity' theory?


If you want to try and swing the market to petrol you might talk about initial up-front and service costs (especially the wallet shock encountered when it's time to replace your CRD injectors), you might try the tack of "bad fuel" prevention and replacement costs for diesels, the fact that city petrol prices are generally a handful of cents below that smelly diesel stuff, or that petrol engine oil is a fair bit cheaper. These are the things which might convince me to stay with petrol when the Jack is ready to go to a new owner.

what a truly great add.

Power and torque to burn........

Geez my truly modern 7.3 lit tug gets as good economy on a trip when its empty.
And when I tow the van it goes way up to between 19 and 20 lits per 100kms.

Bet the new patrol would need a second trailer just for the fuel

I guess if the manufacturer has only a petrol option to offer they have only one option when it gets to what they promote as the best.

Maybe Nissan don't have what they consider a suitable diesel engine to offer as an alternative at the moment and the world wide market, not just Australia, favours petrol.

Personally I think both the new Nissan and Toyota's 200 are catering more to the US and maybe the middle east markets.

I wonder how long it will be before Toyota come up with a larger capacity petrol V8???

Cheers
Pop

Just wait until they release a diesel version.
There will be new ads extolling the benefits of a diesel engine over petrol.
Their advertising agency is probably already formulating ideas.

They also said their 3LT engine was the way foward..........

I read somewhere with Opal fuel being the only petrol at some places this could cause problems with these motors? I am not sure why, I am not that knowledgeable about these things. Could this sound correct to these who are in the know? Kevin

I don't think its even worth debating! Nissan lost the plot when Renault bought them 15 years ago. I would buy a new diesel LandCruiser if or when I make that decision to replace my ageing Patrol. "Oh what a good feeling that might just be" !!
Michael.

Nissan's got no idea Bring back the reliable 4.2 turbo diesel, Thats the best motor they've put out.

Cheers Wilko

Nissan see the main market for the new Patrola s the Middle east and Saudi Arabia in particular.

When I lived there diesel cars and 4x4 were illegal.

Petrol cost when I googled is 0.16 euros vs Australia at 1.12 euros. when I lved ther eback in 1985 petrol was AFAIR 22 cents a litre and looks like it hasn't changed.

on main roads in Saudi there are fuel stations every 100Km and similar in UAEetc etc.
Regards Philip A.

I'm a bit late joining this post after just coming back from some heavy days in the bush but all I can say is that they must have read my post on why I recently brought a petrol GU over a diesel 200 series (actually I know they did but thats another story).

I have already decided that the new Patrol is not for me - and after the last few days of slogging thru endless overgrown and debris littered tracks - I won't be changing my mind soon.

I would question the accuracy of the comparison - 14.5lt per 100k is better than my current 4800 GU which is 16.4 however the diesel 200 series is a fair comparison car and it is only 10.5lt per 100k. GU

Its a pity some of the above replies are short on realism because the general thrust of the arguement is valid , but some of Nissans figures need a little more explaining and as real data becomes available a better comparison can be attempted.

The total life cycle cost and experience of my first petrol GU has shown the petrol can indeed be a better overall choice.

I would hope that more people would do there research before buying any type of vehicle and not assume that diesel today means what it once did.

Hi Bazooka

You made me re-read my previous post (81503) and I note that what I said then is what I say now - that first of all the vehicle has to fit its intended use and so the best choice for me may not be the best for someone else.

From the overall perspective what is changing are two priniciple factors.

1/ Petrol and Diesel engine are becoming more alike and since the advent of
direct petrol injection the fundamental efficentcy difference between then is now reduced from about a 1/3rd to less than 25%.

2/ Both types of cars are becoming more difficult to repair (in the bush) and to legally modify. Hence you now need to put more weight on support aspects.

I carry spare fuel pump, injector, Plug - why ? because they cost me $150 total
and I can fit them in the bush, try that on my mates new top of the range Navara or
another friends Ford ranger (Mazda).

But then who cares if one just drives within phone range of a tow truck and its on a total
warranty plan !

It a shame how the motor companies dictate.Why don't they put the bigger motor from the pathie in the new patrol

Popped into Werribee Nissan yesterday and looked at two new Patrols. 1. ST-L bottom of the specs....$90,000 NO SAT NAV & numerous "other" extras a consumer would appreciate in a vehicle that expensive. 2. TI. Leather & sunroof standard $100,000......nice vehicle. 3. TI-L top of the range $112,000 still 30 grand less than Sahara!!!!