Fuel Prices!

Depends where you live to some extent on petrol V diesel
I find in rural NSW diesel has been dearer for years by I guess on average a few cents/L. If you do any type of kms, diesel is definitely the better option in rural NSW.

In Sydney or Brisy diesel is significantly more expensive due to discounting of Petrol which happens in the city but not in the bush, where as diesel is rarely discounted anywhere.

Mark

Are you looking for a conspiracy somewhere Axle? When something looks like a conspiracy it is normally a stuff up anyway.
With regard to Toyota, and Nissan as well now, they know that their large cars will mostly be used as city cars and many will be bought by snobs who think the smell of diesel and the sound of a diesel is out of place in their suburb.
Cheers,
Kevin

It’s a not-so bad – Hey! it’s a nice-a place.
In 2008 I did my first loop around Aussie
Diesel in Perth was a $1.60 and in the middle of the NT and at the tip of Cape York $2.25.
Hey! whats-a wrong with you.

Having driven diesels for 26 years I picked the perfect time to swap to a petrol/gas 4by. At 65 cents a litre with a supermarket docket it didn't take long to break even verses the extra installation cost & servicing. I suppose I can thank Toyota for not building a diesel FJ :-)
Cheers Craig.............

The gap is definatley narrowing. At times I wonder if I made the right decission. Here in Cairns the difference is at least 10cents p/l at best. I do low K's locally but do the odd long trip not towing anything . Take into account the generally more expensive oil and servicing. I'm still in front but only just.

With the advancement in petrol engine technology- Direct injection, VVT on both exhaust and inlet, attention to the redcution in internal drag, combination of turbo and supercharging. The future of diesel power will be intresting to watch.

There is a perception diesel power is dirty. Particularly in the US. To there credit and about time, some of the latest stuff out of there has made big gains in fuel economy.

Maybe Toyota do know somthing we don't. They are the biggest car manufactuer in the world.

not wrong there .......... to the point i have started looking at Pedrols but i keep going back to diesel, the water crossings worry me with petrols as does the availability out bush, you can fairly well bank on Diesel being available anyware there are people ...
But yes, a diesel cost more to fix and re-build, it weighs more, costs more to service, on average it is louder noise wise ...
I think as you do, the next few years will be interesting to see what fuel wins the race, i will assume petrol is far more efficient as racing cars dont use diesel and being efficiant is the big thing these days, petrol is also lighter to carry so technically diesel will always use more per klm/ltr due to the weight alone ....
Toyo are very switched on people so will be interesting to see what path they take, might be uranium yet, safer, cheaper, lighter and far more efficiant hahha

I have never understood diesel pricing in Australia. Diesel ought to be cheaper to make than petrol, it is cracked off at a lower level in the refining process. In most overseas countries, diesel is cheaper at the pump than petrol.
I live in Adelaide. When we do a trip, i find I can buy diesel cheaper about 100km out of Adelaide than I can buy it in Adelaide. After that, diesel prices start to rise again with distance. Petrol prices on the other hand start rising and keep rising the further I get from Adelaide until I start approaching the next capital l city.
Actually I think I do understand the pricing can only conclude that there is a bigger markup on diesel in the city than petrol for the sellers (either the makers or the service station or both)

Axle,
this would be a perfect time to pull that diesel out of your excavator and put in a petrol. LOL.

RA.

Hi Axle

What's "Pedo", as mentioned in your initial post?

Diesel is consistently cheaper here than the higher octane unleaded.

Phil

"Toyo are selling landcruiser V8 petrols in evidentley enough numbers to keep the sales going, so do they keep gazing into the crystal ball and know more than we know???"

And the new nissan patrol, only petrol. They may have a crystal ball as well??

wizzer

Interesting thread!

In the USA, diesel used to be cheaper than petrol (gasoline). Except in fall/winter, because more petroleum was diverted to make home heating oil. But that price advantage mostly disappeared several years ago.

Here's a chart that shows the average price difference between petrol and diesel from 2000 to 2011:Chart

I haven't been paying close attention (I don't own any diesels), but I think diesel currently is about $.30/gallon more expensive.

A couple of weeks ago I was staying on base at Pukapunyal, where diesel is 155/L. Was told not to fill up there.
10km or so down the road on the highway, diesel was 144/L.
Probably delivered by the same truck, but obviously 10km is an expensive trip.lol
Seymore itself was the same price as Puka.


All to do with volume sold I'm guessing.

Hi Axle

I think one of the reasons that keeps the diesle price high is the lack of consumer volume.
Most service stations act as distrubutors for fuel companies so, they dont own the stock but get paid a margin for selling it.
There are certainly a lot of diesel vehicles but the high volume users usually have accounts with the fuel companies, at contract prices. So even though they are filling up at a servo they arn't actually paying bowser price.
Unlike ULP where the demand is higher by cash paying customers, and servo's have to discount or keep prices low to attract business.
On the up side, diesel prices are very stable and aren't subject to the wild fluctuations of ULP.

Alan

Bit sad in a way Axle , but I think the trend will continue to make diesel even dearer than petrol.

Can't say I have had any regrets over my descision to stick with the fuel guzzlers.

Some of the new petrol cars are eating into the area once diesel only territory , the new 200 series petrol engine looks good as does the new 300kw patrol.

But the mazda 6 is even more interesting as its now running a 13:1 compression ratio on normal 91 unleaded fuel which was once unheard of.

This combined with fact that S.A. has massive new potential oil reserves and this could be the year that USA makes more oil than Saudia arabia so the medium term future is bright for petrol cars despite dire predictions in the past.

Gday Axle :) After reading your post here, i sent you a violin in the post, no strings attached!! Enjoy!! Michael

I recently read an article saying that diesel has been expensive relative to petrol because of increased wealth in Asia leading to construction, heavy industry and transport, and our prices are based on the Singapore terminal prices.

But that wealth generation has now entered a second phase and the major thing people are buying is cars - Petrol cars. Given refining investment since about 2006 has mainly been in diesel to meet the higher demand, there is expected to be a petrol shortage and less of a diesel shortage until about 2020.

It said that in as soon as the next weeks the gap between Diesel and Petrol at the Australian pump will almost go away due to increased petrol prices of about 10 cents a liter, and the trend over 5 years will be a reversal of what we have seen for the last 7 years. It also said that 95 will take over from 91 on most pumps given the increased number of new cars on the road that specify it.

I will be interesting to see if petrol prices come up to diesel over the next weeks. I did notice diesel was only 7c per liter more that 91 last time I filled up, usually it is about 12 cents over unleaded.

Don't sell that Diesel just yet!