What to buy? New Nissan 5.6 lt Petrol or 200 series landcruiser.

There's a thread on LCOOL at the moment about the new Patrol.

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You have to join to read it, but that's easy, and free.

They mention fuel economy during an off road 4wd comparison.

Petrol Patrol: 21.3 litres/100

Petrol Cruiser: 18.5 litres/100

Diesel Cruiser: 14 litres/100.

This was not a towing test, but I think a diesel 200 would suit you better than any petrol powered vehicle.

Yours still has thousands of kilometres life left in it.
For the change over price you can buy at least 15000 litre @ $2/litre for that price.
Now, how far will that take you.

If you buy the new Nissan you have immediately lost that and are beginning a drinking problem.
Sounds like the new Nissan is most suited to towing fuel a large fuel tank. Ultra Unleaded of course.

hi hugh
cant believe you are wanting to quit your 4.2 td patrol when its still a pup
the dealer wont have any problem making a big buck on it
but if you want a new one then thats your choice and good luck to you
cheers

You should of never bought this up....... you will get more reasons from people telling you why you should not upgrade and how much of a wrong decision you are making.

We have a 200 series VX diesel and it's OK...... it's not fantastic, just OK.

Ours weighs in at around 3600KG so it's heavy, we get around 17-20lts per 100 empty or towing and city and country doesn't make much difference.

I have heard reports of people getting around 10lts per 100 in the country and I believe this is true....... ad some off road gear and a bit of weight and the fuel consumption gets knocked around badly.

The other thing is don't think you will get all the horsepower and torque all the time, coming out of Adelaide up the freeway loaded we can only pull 65Kph..... our old 2005 Hilux D4D loaded could pull 95Kph all the way up and our New Ranger has no problems sitting at the speed limit in 5th gear (6 speed auto)...... there will be places where your 100 series will out perform the 200 in pulling power.

The advantage of a Diesel is you know you can get fuel anywhere and if needed from tractors or trucks to get you out of trouble.

Toyota have a better dealer network then Nissan and the Nissan is unproven in Australia..... especially off road.

Why would you want to trade an unbreakable vehicle for a unknown, yet to be tested vehicle?
The 200 series is a good vehicle but its longevity is still unknown. Horrific expense if it breaks.
IFS front end in both vehicles. From owning a Nissan (3.0 grenade) would not buy another, particularly a new unknown, unproven vehicle for Oz conditions. Nissan support of their vehicles is not particularly good. Keep the 4.2 and enjoy many years of mostly trouble free motoring. I went from a Nissan to a 100 series TD and have not looked back. IMHO keep the 4.2 and spend the difference on fuel touring this great country.

Ted

Gday Hugh ! Personally i would be keeping the Nissan GU but if you have deep pockets, the 200 series is a good choice. The 200 is a great proven vehicle until something goes wrong, lots of things are really expensive. The new Nissan Petrol is unproven but at 14000 ks a year, fuel cost would not be an issue i would think, a grand extra on fuel for the extra power of the 200 diesel or petrol or the new Nissan. One thing you will get is Comforrrrrt with a new vehicle. If you sell your 4.2, its probably worth close to $40,000 sold privately, so thats half the cost of your new choice! Michael

Buy a Mazda BT50 I get better fuel economy fully loaded towing a bogie axle caravan with boat etc on top of canopy on car than what you people are talking about around town.
I have a 3inch exhaust plus a Roos System chip, gross weight in excess of 5800 kg getting 16lt per 100km going across the Barkly Highway in December last year at 100 kph. I don't think the Nissan or the Cruiser can match that! I know it's a Mazda but I can't fault it yet!

Thanks to a heads up of a member of another forum, there is a head to head test of the 4.6l petrol 200 against the Patrol and other vehicles coming up in April 4x4 Australia.

On Unleaded, and for a mix of on and off road.
Patrol 21.3 L/100Km
Cruiser 18.5 L/100Km
76 with 33 inch tyres and roofrack accompanying as support 17.2 L/100 Km.
Diesel 200 used about 13-14 L/100 Km over similar test a year ago.

Should be an interesting article.

Had 2 of them together recently Hugh and I felt the 200 series looked better.

Presume your comparing 2 petrols - the Nissan is clearly the way to go for power and the cost of fuel difference isn't significant enough to sway a descision.

If max power is not your main game then the upmarket versions of new 4.6 cruiser which is now equipped with same 6 speed as the diesel is seriously worth considering.

I was never happy with the 4.7lt V8 petrol cruiser and the diesel version didn't add up.

I'm sticking with the last of the 4800 GU petrols which I think have a number of advantages but the new Nissan is clearly a tour de force for that type of car.

Good luck with the decision making. You asked for comments & here is my 10 cents worth. 1. Is there something wrong with the patrol? At 162 thou it's just short of being run in!! 2. At $90,000 for the ST-L.....with no sat Nav. I'd buy a Pajero auto Diesel. 3. My old Dad use to say, "Never buy the first of a new model...wait till they sort out the teething problems"

I am not concerned with what happens O/S & how vehicles perform. I am concerned as to how the vehicle manages conditions in Australia. We have,after all experienced vehicles here that shone O/S but could not handle the harsh Australian continent.

Personally i think a new full sized full on 4x4 is out or the reach of most people now. By the time you get an $85,000 Patrol or Cruiser on the road with all the on costs, stamp duty, insurance and add a few things, $100,000 easily! Its easy to see why some older, easy to maintain vehicles are holding their value!! Michael

Interesting question. Ask 10, 4 x 4 owners which brand to buy and you will get at least 11 answers. Petrol or Diesel. I just traded a petrol Disco for a 3.0 diesel and the fuel savings are great, but I forked out a years salary in the change over, so who is saving what these days? When I bought the petrol disco it was ten grand cheaper than a diesel.

I read some interesting comments on the Toyota 200 series diesel here and other places. Some people quote a low of 10.02 litres per 100, but a couple here are saying 17 or even more up to 20 Litres/100. I have a mate with a Toyota tray top with V8 diesel and he cannot get below 17 litres per 100.

AI think Toyota has lost the plot a little with the big V8 diesel. Along side the modern utes and European motors its a dinosaur. Maybe it will live for a long time?. Maybe it wont, particularly if you read some of the oil consumption problems. But its a big gamble given the purchase price.

So go test a few, talk to many, and spend your dollars where you are comfortable.

Good luck with your decision.