The toll that conditions on our outback tracks can take!

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For all those heading out onto our iconic outback tracks this year, here's some food for thought.

I strung some video bits and pieces together from my Western Deserts sojourn in 2009. Again it focuses on some trackside mechanical difficulties and illustrates how the ever deteriorating conditions of some of our outback tracks can take their toll on your vehicle, equipment and even the most robust of after market accessories sold to four wheel drivers these days!



Some of the corrugations on this section of the Canning (Well 22 (Georgia Bore) to Windy Corner ) were 20 cm or greater in height and as you can see from the intro pane at the start of the clip, there is simply no getting “on top” of them through speed.





If you are planning a Canning (Gunbarrel or Anne Beadell) trip in 2013, be aware these are conditions you can expect to endure and issues you may have to deal with.



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Reply By: Member - Outback Gazz - Thursday, Feb 07, 2013 at 18:07

Thursday, Feb 07, 2013 at 18:07
G'day Mick

That's the second video of yours I've watched and after watching both of them I have come to the conclusion that A) You either enjoy having problems or B) You are unlucky !

Remind me not to tag along with you on your next trip !

Happy Travelling

Gazz

Ps Keep the videos coming as I'm sure there will be a lot of people that can learn something from them ! ( in a good way )

Pps I might tag along with you next time but you need to take Roothy with you !
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Follow Up By: Mick O - Thursday, Feb 07, 2013 at 19:54

Thursday, Feb 07, 2013 at 19:54
Gaz, Gaz, Gaz. It's all part of the adventure mate. I should have mentioned that I'd also done the Gary Junction, Kiwirr-Balgo Road, Canning Stock Route, WAPET Track, Kidson Track, Great Sandy Desert to Joanna Spring (no track), Anna Plains Track, Rudall River and the Talawana immediately prior to the tank breaking it's mounts lol. T'was a big trip that year. Tyres were the main problem though.

Anyway for your viewing pleasure, I just dropped a few video snippets into an Album called Outback Mishaps" on my vimeo site. Heres the link;

Outback Mishaps (of a mechanical nature)

That'll keep you busy for an hour or so ;-)

Cheers mate.

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Follow Up By: Member - Jack - Friday, Feb 08, 2013 at 08:37

Friday, Feb 08, 2013 at 08:37
Suggesting that Mick takes that useless dope Roothy along would have to be the ultimate insult. I think MickO has forgotten more about outback travel than that clown will ever know.

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Follow Up By: Member - Outback Gazz - Friday, Feb 08, 2013 at 08:42

Friday, Feb 08, 2013 at 08:42
My apologies to Mick then Jack !

I forgot that some people on this site don't have a sense of humour !


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Follow Up By: Mick O - Friday, Feb 08, 2013 at 12:38

Friday, Feb 08, 2013 at 12:38
Cheers Jack and Craig. I took it in the good humour in which it was intended…eventually, I mean once I’d cried myself to sleep I got over it ;-)

Now I don’t want to detract from the topic of this post (track conditions and the effects that it can have on our vehicles) but I can see how the building of a brand and market can polarise people, particularly if they have a bit of knowledge on the subject. I subscribe to that mag and have done so for a while. I find their “how to” articles quite good and of course one or two of our better known members write fantastic articles for them (nice one Phil). The best bits are the paid advertisements. It’s amazing just what new products you can find in the 150 odd pages of paid advertising (and I’m being serious now). What I’ve found to be unpalatable is the building of the brand and secondary income streams around particular individuals and suppliers. The entire mag is prepared and marketed to the lowest common denominator and while some may find that offensive, it’s all too apparent in continuous articles about the editorial teams wheels, trips to “The Cape” and “The Simmo” (Christ I hate that abbreviation – It’s the bloody Simpson Desert) and the constant pumping of Roothy’s Roo System specials!

There is always a very real danger associated with belief in your own propaganda and that’s something that’s been played out in very public circumstances on this website on a few occassions. I’m sure JR is a mightily skilled individual and a good journo but you have to keep sight of the fact that he is involved a commercial media venture trying to pump out enough stuff to fill 15 editions a year (yes 15, not 12 per year) aimed at a very particular demographic whilst also generating a secondary revenue stream in product offshoots. It is what it is!

Might be time to go back to the “other” mag and get back into bed with ARB lol.

Now back to desert tracks….

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Follow Up By: Member - Scott M (NSW) - Friday, Feb 08, 2013 at 15:45

Friday, Feb 08, 2013 at 15:45
Funny that Mick - totally agree with you. I get copied of said magazine 2nd hand from my father - I've reached the point where I totally skip over the articles and head to the advertising section. That's where the real info is nowadays .. what's out in the market and what's new out there. Mind you it's mostly 15 different vendors flogging the same thing. (Amazing how much spin can be put out over the fact that my version of the watchamathingy has 3 spinballs instead of two - or my version is chrome plated !!)

However to the point, I tend to find the articles fall into 3-4 basic categories:

1. the comparison / road test - which almost inevitably chooses the sponsors product
2. the road trip with the lads - a compendium of hilariously drunken exploits, bush cooking, getting bogged, and some information on the route - can be useful sometimes for people new to the game, but for old hands who've been there is somewhat boring and not very useful
3. the workshop / new kit / maintenance trial - which as you said can be useful when it doesn't involve Roothy bolting on some new mates freebie widget to Milo.... fair dinkum - I reckon that vehicle is about 15-20% original 40 series ....
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Follow Up By: Life Member - Phil B (WA) - Friday, Feb 08, 2013 at 16:01

Friday, Feb 08, 2013 at 16:01
Hi all,

Re 4Wd Action, without ads there wont be a magazine. And like Mick, I too find all kinds of info and ideas in the mag - especially the small and many to a page ads towards the back.


While some may not like Roothy or the way the mag is set up, we have to realise it has to cater for all tastes, not just say extreme of road travel.


Many people especially the younger 4wdrivers - male and female, even children 'adore' Roothy, these people are the next generation of 4Wheelers and if Roothy and Co. is the way to attract them to our hobby - that's fine with me.


You must admit that if you like Roothy or not he and the team have developed a following that has govt and such sitting up and taking notice and they have been pivotal in stopping (for now anyway) the move by state transport authorities playing havoc with standards on vehicle lifts etc.


I say live and let live - take the positives from everything life and move on - life too short.

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Follow Up By: Member - Scott M (NSW) - Friday, Feb 08, 2013 at 17:06

Friday, Feb 08, 2013 at 17:06
Phil, don't get me wrong ... I've known of Roothy's exploits since the days of the late 70's and 80's when he was primarily a Motorcycle journalist, well before this 4wd bug - plenty of bike rallies with Roothy providing the entertainment.

Commercialism is a sign of the times - back in the bike days there was less $$$ in the game, and the journalism / writing were more for the purists.

Just nowadays it's re-flogging the same old tired formula trying to get a buck. Don't blame anyone for trying to make a quid out of it, just like a lot of people, don't find it interesting anymore. As Mick said, there's only so much of trying to flog your own products you can take before you start to switch off.
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Follow Up By: Mick O - Saturday, Feb 09, 2013 at 09:09

Saturday, Feb 09, 2013 at 09:09
It is a formula Scotty and that's all we have to keep sight of. We say the same thing about Pat Callinan as well. Probably a lovely bloke but he is endevouring to make a living in a niche market and the backbone of that is his sponsors, advertisers and product placements. (I'm yet to see him get his blue shirt dirty though lol). I'll give Pat his dues though, between all the amply exposed product placements, at least he provides a bit of variety in the places he visits.

That's why I find this site the best, te range of experience is fantastic, the resources (material and personal) are amazing and theres a willingness to share knowledge. Best bang for you buck around I reckon.

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Follow Up By: Member - eighty matey - Sunday, Feb 10, 2013 at 09:29

Sunday, Feb 10, 2013 at 09:29
Keeping in mind the topic of this post - the toll that conditions on our outback tracks can take - and the criticism of Roothy, I reckon Roothy's made many people aware of what can go wrong when you're off the beaten track and the need to be, at least, a bit self reliant.

I'm no longer a subscriber to 4WD Action but I'll buy the magazine if something catches my eye, or I know that something I'm interested in is in the mag.

In the past they have had things break and with make shift repairs to get somewhere they can fix it properly. I've learnt a lot over the years, or at least become aware of what can go wrong from the magazines and videos.

Mick's videos go to another level and I now know from experience that even when you think you have everything sorted something will go wrong, especially when you travelling as a part of a group. It all adds to the adventure.

Anyway, I don't reckon Roothy should be bagged out just because his head in front of a magazine that is encouraging thousands of families to get out and explore Australia.

I've got to say Mick, your compilation of bush repairs is fascinating, interesting and great homework. I've sent the link to my mates for them to check it out.
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Follow Up By: Mick O - Sunday, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:24

Sunday, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:24
Steve, I'm a firm believer that if you believe your own propaganda, you'll get called on it one day and then the truth will be out ;-)

You have to remember that I'm taking the videos. That means I'm not doing the work. It's my job to "supervise". This is usually because the blokes I travel with will actually fight over the chance to fix something pushing we technically challenged individuals to the side lol. I just love travelling with those guys!.

I've met Roothy and he's a lovely bloke and my issue is not with him, it's about the narrowing focus that occurrs when it becomes all about the bottom line. We are kidding ourselves if we reckon that the bottom line is not important but it can have a very poor down stream effect if branding and the need to produce quantity over quality become the only focus.

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Follow Up By: Member - eighty matey - Sunday, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:57

Sunday, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:57
Like you I tend to assist and supervise. Mainly because I've come to learn that my third generation bricklaying genes cannot adapt to be used in a mechanical way. I usually cause more damage.

That being said, I do travel with more than capable bush mechanics. That's why I forward your videos to them, in the hope that next time I break something a couple of days from somewhere they will have learnt how to get me going, again.

Roothy. I first met him in the early 80's when he was opal mining, with his brother, at Lightning Ridge. His background with working and living in the bush, plus mucking around with old Harleys and such most of his life, has meant he has to be able to get something going with a bit of fencing wire and a good hammer.
He's a decent bloke doing his job. The magazine is going flat out chasing the dollar but there's a market out there with a huge appetite for information and products. They're taking advantage of a section of the market that want what they supply.

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Reply By: pop2jocem - Thursday, Feb 07, 2013 at 23:10

Thursday, Feb 07, 2013 at 23:10
Hi Mick,

Did the CSR in 1998 with a mate of mine. The worst corrugations were somewhere near wells 30 to 33 from memory. The rest of the track was pretty good. Over the years I have been asked if I would do the trip again and I have always said that we had such a good time I would if the opportunity and circumstances were right. Looking at that video and the depths of those corrugations I don't think I would. Doesn't look like much fun. Looking at some of the videos you have put up a trip through the desert without using the more well trodden tracks would be more the go for me.

Anyway, safe travels mate.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Mick O - Thursday, Feb 07, 2013 at 23:19

Thursday, Feb 07, 2013 at 23:19
Pop,

The off track stuff has its own degree of difficulty. You'll enjoy these then. The first is a brief snippet of the corrugations near Well 50.




The second is of the corrugations approaching Well 33 from the north



Watch the sand flag oscillating lol.


Cheers Mick


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Reply By: Crackles - Thursday, Feb 07, 2013 at 23:43

Thursday, Feb 07, 2013 at 23:43
Isn't it funny how NO after market long range tank manufacturer can build a unit as good as the original ones. All brands either leak or break mounting brackets without exception.
It's possibly already past the time when a number of grader blades need to be dropped off in the worst of the corrugated areas for vollunteers to drag back & forth to minimise the track damage. Ceratinly takes some of the enjoyment out of remote trips even for seasoned drivers.
Cheers Craig.....

PS: I see the problem with your tyres, It's about 100mm up & to the left of the puncture ;-)
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Follow Up By: Mick O - Friday, Feb 08, 2013 at 06:42

Friday, Feb 08, 2013 at 06:42
Yes I have to agree. I've had tanks from all leading manufacturers and had issues with them all. Would not touch anything from ARB ever again. Their lack of willingness to stand by their products is legendary. Brown Davis and LRA are both good companies to deal with and with good quality products who provide aftersales service and a willingness to learn from feedback provided by travellers.

As for the tyres Craig, written for all to see but we'll say no more about that lol. Roothey was mentioned above. I see their aftersales service is so good that in the their latest 4x4 Action DVD they flew spares into him by helicopter! They didn't do that for me when I was down to my last casing having used every patch and piece of spaghetti I had lol. I guess it's good to be Roothy ;-) No problems with the big Toyos mate. Worth their weight in gold believe me.

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Follow Up By: Crackles - Friday, Feb 08, 2013 at 11:58

Friday, Feb 08, 2013 at 11:58
Don't get me started. Roothey has become an icon like Pauline Hanson. Too many people listening to what he says but really has NFI. On a trip to Vic they rolled a car on a track up Woods point, couldn't recover themselves so called the cops. Long story short as a direct result the track was closed & still is today. And the chap has the gall to blame the greenies for track closures. He certainy doesn't live in reality world.
For your type of driving you really need a long range tank but I've gone away from them back to the simplicity of Jerries.
Agree: Toyo=Good.
Cheers Craig..............
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Reply By: rossy - Friday, Feb 08, 2013 at 11:30

Friday, Feb 08, 2013 at 11:30
Corrugations are horrible. I've cracked fuel tanks, broken air condition mountings seen people sheer tyres, roll camper trailers etc etc. I understand that some of those really out of the way tracks are terrible but the above I mention was on the developmental road up to Cape York which considering the huge number of vehicles going these days should be better maintained. Not enough business allowed to fix these problems either up that way.
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Follow Up By: Mick O - Friday, Feb 08, 2013 at 12:45

Friday, Feb 08, 2013 at 12:45
Rossy, they are the bane of the outback traveller alright. Listen, I had some very good results in dealing with them through use of an adjustable damper shock absorber. I’m using the Tough Dog big bore 45. With them turned down to zero, (no dampening whatsoever), the ride certainly levelled out but in particular, the shocker stayed a lot cooler. The ride and suspension is also assisted with lower tyre pressures. You just have to be very cognizant of whoop-t-doos and bumps that may provide enough rock and roll to overextend coils and springs etc. It’s an investment that has worked well for me and a few of my travel buddies.

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Follow Up By: Echucan Bob - Friday, Feb 08, 2013 at 14:32

Friday, Feb 08, 2013 at 14:32
Mick
I've changed to adjustable Tough Dogs too after the Billies self immolated on corrugations. The TDs have done one major trip (the same one that destroyed the Billies) and they still feel like new. Its a pity you need to get under the vehicle to adjust the TDs. A dash control would be nice.
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Follow Up By: Mick O - Friday, Feb 08, 2013 at 17:06

Friday, Feb 08, 2013 at 17:06
I can live with crawling under the car at this stage Bob. Yes I came to them after my OME nitro's reached 157C on the Canning. I've not had the T/D's over 55C on the same stretch while in a heavier car and towing!

I found it a wise precaution to weld a steel tab in front of the dial for a bit more protection.




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Reply By: Member - Outback Gazz - Sunday, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:03

Sunday, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:03
Howdy Mick

It's funny how some people think on this forum - I made a light hearted joke about Roothy ( just like I did about Pat Callinan after watching a previous video of yours ) and people go off in different directions with their replies. I'm sure you saw it as the humour I intended it to be. I have a great sense of humour and the replies don't bother me at all - as I see them as funny - but I have this mental picture of some people on this great forum sitting around the campfire wearing felt hats, slippers and smoking a pipe whilst discussing the up coming stamp collectors convention !

Keep the videos coming Mick

And remember - If you are not laughing you are not living !


All the best


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