Life expectancy / history 80 series Landcruiser

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I brought my 80 series new in 1996. since then it has travelled 340,000 ks. I have changed the engine oil and filter every 5000 and all other services have been carried out according to the handbook service schedule or better.

At 300,000 I gave it a birthday present by replacing the shocks, water pump, front brake rotors. new seals in power steering pump, thermostat, radiator cap and brushes in alternator. Some of these parts were still in good condition but were changes as preventative maintenance.

The radiator hoses and heater hoses have been replaced twice in its life as well as a new radiator when it was 8 years old. The starter was repaired due to sticking contacts and one wheel bearing was found to be showing signs of pitting and was subsequently replaced.

So my questions are:
Has anyone else had a vehicle for this long or longer and if so what can I expect down the track?

Have I missed anything in trying to maintain this 80 series in good condition?

I should also add that this vehicle has never been off road although it has towed a caravan for about 40,000 ks of it's life, it is completely standard except for bull bar and tow bar. Oh and it is petrol with automatic Transmission.

I would be very interested to hear of others experiences as we will be setting off again soon for another trip around Australia.

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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Monday, Mar 25, 2013 at 19:12

Monday, Mar 25, 2013 at 19:12
Thats fairly reasonable for 300,000ks but my 2003 4.2 TDi GU Patrol has 349,000ks on it and its all original except for the alternator, it died a few weeks ago! Its had a set of fan belts at 200,000ks but thats it. Clutch is original and works fine, towed an off road trailer for many trips. My ex wife has my 99Gu 4.2Td and it has 450,000ks and it has had a new clutch but only that, and it spent its life towing a double horse float. If you look after them they all last fairly well. I think a lot of sand and mud driving kill them prematurely! You can be lucky also! Michael
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Follow Up By: cruiser 3 - Monday, Mar 25, 2013 at 19:45

Monday, Mar 25, 2013 at 19:45
Thanks Michael. That's the sort of feedback I am after although your vehicles are diesel compared to my petrol.
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Follow Up By: patsproule - Tuesday, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:28

Tuesday, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:28
A 99 4.2 TD that hasnt spat 5th gear yet? That's rare!
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Reply By: olcoolone - Monday, Mar 25, 2013 at 19:29

Monday, Mar 25, 2013 at 19:29
Don't feel to bad about it being old...... Toyota finally stopped making then in 2008, just shows how good they were.

It's not a matter of life expectancy, it's how much money do you want to spend to keep it running in a reliable way.

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Follow Up By: cruiser 3 - Monday, Mar 25, 2013 at 19:50

Monday, Mar 25, 2013 at 19:50
Yes one could look at the way vintage cars are, most probably restored to a better standard than what they were when they were made.
But my question is what if anything and within reason needs to be done to a well looked after vehicle with this amount of ks.


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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Monday, Mar 25, 2013 at 20:25

Monday, Mar 25, 2013 at 20:25
We have people come in and spend $4000 on a $2000 car and we have others who have a $4000 car and won't spend $2000 on it.

It all depends on what it is worth to you and how much you will have to spend on a newer one......

If it owes you nothing in theory you could spend up tot the price it would cost to purchase another in the same condition.

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Reply By: travlinon - Monday, Mar 25, 2013 at 19:58

Monday, Mar 25, 2013 at 19:58
I bought mine in 1998 at a government auction (department of interior I think). It has worked as a survey vehicle before retiring with myself 6 months ago. Servicing done every 10,000kms with nothing being done apart from normal servicing requirements.
It is the diesel version with 360,000 kms. The only thing to go wrong has been the back door lock failing. One failure of the vehicle is after being assured that it had a 3.5 ton towing capacity was to find out it was only 2.5 tonne just missing out by a couple of months after I had bought a 2.7ton van. All fixed up with a lc200 leaving the old cruiser to enjoy a peacefully retirement :)))
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Follow Up By: cruiser 3 - Tuesday, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:54

Tuesday, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:54
I previously had a 60 series diesel with those ks with relatively no problems I hope the 80 petrol is the same. thanks for your reply
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Reply By: PeterInSa - Monday, Mar 25, 2013 at 20:38

Monday, Mar 25, 2013 at 20:38
I think it a case of will the Cruiser let you down when out in the bush well away from the nearest service centre. My Cruiser has done similar Km and there nothing wrong with it other than age. I carry the usual spares etc etc along with water pump and U/V joints .

Peter
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Follow Up By: cruiser 3 - Tuesday, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:55

Tuesday, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:55
Thanks Peter its good to hear that there are others out there like mine with no troubles
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Reply By: fisherPete - Monday, Mar 25, 2013 at 20:49

Monday, Mar 25, 2013 at 20:49
The one thing that seems to kill most motors is short trips, Falcon taxis get up to 1000000ks out of a petrol donk, so if you only use yours for trips then it will out last you and me.
That 4.5 is one tough donk, and the only problems I have heard of is head problems around 400000ks, but thats not the end of the.world.
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Monday, Mar 25, 2013 at 21:11

Monday, Mar 25, 2013 at 21:11
We have an ex Police 1997 80 series bought in 1998 and now has 260000kms. I just replaced the suspension bushes with polyurethane bushes and it now drives like a new car, well almost. I bought the on fleabay for $287 delivered as compared to $1200 from the stealer.
They cured the black lash that I though may have been gearbox/transfer case wear when it was rocking movement in rear axle.
80 series rule!!
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Reply By: happytravelers - Monday, Mar 25, 2013 at 21:12

Monday, Mar 25, 2013 at 21:12
Mine's a 97 80s which I bought from a gov auction in early 99. Only got 175000km's so far, deisel, so like you hoping it will last a lot longer yet.

Jon
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Reply By: Rockape - Monday, Mar 25, 2013 at 22:19

Monday, Mar 25, 2013 at 22:19
Mate,
all that happens is the vehicle gets more unreliable as it gets older. It doesn't mean that it will let you down in the middle of nowhere, but it does mean it will cost and slow you down when travelling.

Parts wise no problem at all around Australia. What will happen, although not being a show stopper, is you will have brake and clutch problems with master cylinders, wheel cylinders and clutch master and slave cylinders plus the brake booster. These are all associated with age

Wheel bearings have to be adjusted or they will fail.

As it gets older you just have to spend more money to keep it up to scratch. In your case age rather than K's are the factor.

One thing is the tojo unis are the best in the business. If greased every 5000 I have no idea how long they last.
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Follow Up By: cruiser 3 - Tuesday, Mar 26, 2013 at 12:02

Tuesday, Mar 26, 2013 at 12:02
Hi Rockape, you have sort of reinforced my assumption of what might happen. The things you mention I can live with. It's the thought of something stopping me when I am miles from anywhere that worries me.
Having a HF radio at the timeI stopped to help some German tourists once on the Nullabor it was going to cost them $1200 to be towed to Norseman, and that was before any repairs. That is scary.
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Reply By: mikehzz - Monday, Mar 25, 2013 at 23:16

Monday, Mar 25, 2013 at 23:16
I was on a trip on sunday and a young fella was driving an 80 on lpg that had over 500,000 kms on it. It seemed to be going well and he was very happy with it.
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Follow Up By: cruiser 3 - Tuesday, Mar 26, 2013 at 12:04

Tuesday, Mar 26, 2013 at 12:04
Thats very encouraging info Mike thank you.
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Reply By: Batt's - Tuesday, Mar 26, 2013 at 09:22

Tuesday, Mar 26, 2013 at 09:22
I read yrs ago in a 4wd mag toyota basically designed the six cyl petrol to go for around 800,000 km before it needs reconditioning but I don't remember which 80series motor that was. .Any car will last a million km if it is warm most of the time with minimal cold starting like a taxi. Does the handbook tell you to change the oil every 5,000km that's usually for diesels I didn't know that was petrols as well I would have thought 10,000 for a petrol especially if the oil isn't getting dirty
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Follow Up By: cruiser 3 - Tuesday, Mar 26, 2013 at 12:10

Tuesday, Mar 26, 2013 at 12:10
Hi Batt, thanks for the info about the 80 being designed for around 800,000, wish I had seen that article!!!
You are right the handbook says 10,000 but 5000 under harder conditions. As I do the services myself my thoughts are that it is better to overservice than to underservice. The cost of oil and a filter is not much to pay if it helps maintain the longlivity of the vehicle
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Reply By: Olsen's 4WD Tours and Training - Tuesday, Mar 26, 2013 at 09:50

Tuesday, Mar 26, 2013 at 09:50
Gee it is almost run in at 340,000 k
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Reply By: Mazdave - Tuesday, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:15

Tuesday, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:15
I had an 80 Series Cruiser, cant quite remember which year but one of the early ones as it had 15" rims. (Early 90's?) Factory turbo diesel, top of the range GXL. Sold it to a mate with 200,000kms on clock. He still has it and now done 360,000kms. Still going well as it has been well looked after. Had big end bearings inspected and one replaced at 250,000kms. Other than that, no running issues. Wish they still made them like that.
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Reply By: cruiser 3 - Tuesday, Mar 26, 2013 at 16:59

Tuesday, Mar 26, 2013 at 16:59
Thanks a lot to everyone who has replied to my question, your input is very much appreciated
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Reply By: dindy - Tuesday, Mar 26, 2013 at 17:25

Tuesday, Mar 26, 2013 at 17:25
Hi cruiser 3.

I've got a 1994 80 series manual on dual fuel, it has 470,000ks on the clock. I change the oil and filters about every 10,000ks. It had 160,000ks on it when i bought it.
It tows my machinery trailer about 1500kilos all up every day. I just poke along, It won't die. Yes you will need to replace things like hoses, belts, seals and infrequently bearings, but that is normal for any car. Just keep up the maintenance regime, keep an eye on the small things and she will not let you down. Oh and if the engine has an issue it will subtly let you know its unwell, its unlikely to just go clunk. I wish mine had only 300,000 on the clock!!
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Follow Up By: cruiser 3 - Tuesday, Mar 26, 2013 at 18:30

Tuesday, Mar 26, 2013 at 18:30
Wow!
Thats the sort of information I was hoping to hear.
Towing that sort of weight everyday is quite a task. A lot of caravanners may tow 2 to 2.5 tonnes but that is usually infrequently.
Your reply certainly gives me a lot of encouragement for the future of my 80 series.
I hope to keep it for a lot longer yet. Currently it drives and performs much like it did when I first brought it.
I brought my first Cruiser in 1975, an FJ40 and kept it for 10 years. Then a 60 series Diesel which again I kept for a little over 10 years, it was only a baby with 320,000 on the clock when I sold it.
My current 80 series is by far the best of the three and I want to keep it for a number of reasons, firstly I cant afford another and close second is because I dont like all the new fangled tecknology in todays new vehicles.
Once again thanks for your reply.
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Reply By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Tuesday, Mar 26, 2013 at 21:16

Tuesday, Mar 26, 2013 at 21:16
Hi Cruiser 3,

The 80 series have EARNED for themselves a very enviable reputation for strength and capability.

With the proper servicing regime, as you have employed, they could get to a million Kilometres, with some luck as well proper care.

I heard of a cabby getting a million Ks out of an AU falcon and those motors were not as strong as the 1FZ FE. The 1FZ FE is a beautiful motor, smooth, quiet and powerful.

The greatest enemy of any engine is dust so air and oil filtration is parramount.

The 1FZ FE was known to have weak valve stem seals which allows a small amount of oil to pass down the stem of the valve which results in them blowing a little blue smoke when backing off the accellerator on a down hill run and at start up, usually occuring around the 300 thousand mark, depending on what sort of life it has had.

These weak valve stem seals only adds oil (carbon) to a hot valve anyway and hardens them to a small degree and that is not a bad thing anyway.
As I was running gas on mine I never worried about it and considered it a valve saving device anyway.

My first Landcruiser was a 1997 80 series GXL 1FZ FE and I was completely sold on the marque by that unit.

Giving it a birthday present, as you have done, is absolutely worth the money. You wont save anything by updating as you have to cough up a lot more to upgrade anyway so you will probably spend less keeping it in good working condition, as you have been doing. Everything wears out eventually and has to be replaced.


If you are still happy looking at the same dash then stick with what you know, more so since you have had it since new.
There are many that have said they wished they still had their 80 series after upgrading. Too late once the horse has bolted, so to speak.

On the other hand if you want to update, then that is a totally different matter.

Just my thoughts on the subject.

Cheers, Bruce.
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Follow Up By: cruiser 3 - Wednesday, Mar 27, 2013 at 09:58

Wednesday, Mar 27, 2013 at 09:58
Thanks Bruce for your reply.
it has been great for me to read the various viewpoints and experiences from other 80 seies owners.
I have received wonderful information from everyone who has replied and from you in particular.
I have no intention of parting with my 80 however I have retired it from being my daily vehicle as I have been saving it for this around Australia trip and after that most probably just caravanning around the eastern states nearer home.
So with the plans I have for it it will take a long time before it accumulates a lot more kilometers so should last me for many more years yet.(maybe for the rest of my life)
It goes without saying that I will replace any parts that may become necessary however I was looking for an insight into whether there may have been anything in particular I need to look out for at this age.
After reading all of these replies it seems that I have done about everything that I can do and I should simply continue servicing it while keeping an eye out for anything that may seem to be developing.
Anyway thanks again for your reply and to everyone else who has provided such welcome information.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bruce C (NSW) - Wednesday, Mar 27, 2013 at 18:56

Wednesday, Mar 27, 2013 at 18:56
From all that I have read on the subject of Landcruiser gearboxes it seem the autos in the 80 series and on were a better box than the manuals. The autos giving virtually nor troubles unlike the manuals. There are always exceptions of course.

The only thing you have not mentioned is fan belts and heater and radiator hoses and if they have not been done they should be your next consideration. But I'll bet you have done them already.

Some say the 80 series are looking dated but I reckon with a good polish they are still a mighty attractive unit. They are a better look than the 200 series anyway in my opinion. Just my opinion. Ive probably started something now. LOL

Cheers, Bruce.
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Follow Up By: cruiser 3 - Wednesday, Mar 27, 2013 at 19:55

Wednesday, Mar 27, 2013 at 19:55
Thanks for the continuing info Bruce.
You are right I change all belts and hoses.
I have thought that maybe the next things on the agenda for replacement could be spark plug leads as well as brake hoses. I don't know what the lifespan of these items are. Usually leads are simply changed when a fault is noticed and brake hoses.... well I haven't heard of them being a maintenance item but we are talking now about an old vehicle.
As I said earlier, with my experience with an FJ40 and then 60 series Diesel the 80 series has been by far the better vehicle.
My 80 has been garaged all its life, never had an accident and has led a pampered life. In addition to that I am the only one who works on it so knowing so much about it's history is a good reason for keeping it.
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Reply By: Member - Cruiser93 - Wednesday, Mar 27, 2013 at 22:19

Wednesday, Mar 27, 2013 at 22:19
I've had my 1993 80-series 4.5li petrol since new. It's only done 150,000kms but after 20 years I still have enough confidence in it to take it anywhere. It's had a few mods in the last couple of years (upgraded suspension and wheels/tyres) plus the usual additions (bull bar, 2nd battery, side steps, drawer system). It's been a fantastic touring vehicle (Kimberleys, Simpson Desert, etc) so hasn't had a gentle life. Limited towing. After the suspension mods, the mechanics said that it would see me out (and I'm not that old!). Plenty of people I've since spoken to and who have upgraded to 100 then 200 series Toyotas (because their accountants told them to) have expressed regret at losing their 80-series. As long as you're keeping it maintained as you seem to be doing, there seems to be little point in considering swapping it for anything else. My vehicle is a bit thirsty (16-17 li/100kms) but I can buy a lot of petrol for the cost of buying a new vehicle. And mine's already set up the way that I want it. If you're looking for support, I say stick with the 80 series!
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Follow Up By: cruiser 3 - Thursday, Mar 28, 2013 at 09:20

Thursday, Mar 28, 2013 at 09:20
Wow a 20 year old cruiser with only 150000 is that would be a great find for someone if you ever decided to sell it, it would be a better buy than a new one.
You certainly shouldn't have any trouble with it for a long time.
Thanks for your reply.
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Reply By: Kilcowera Station Stay - Thursday, Mar 28, 2013 at 08:32

Thursday, Mar 28, 2013 at 08:32
We reckon they are a dam good vehicle, we have a 96 diesel gxl and it has never put a foot wrong in its 240,000 km. We look after it, but driving around the station with an assortment of loads, from visitors to poddy calves, lick, fencing gear etc means its had a tough life! Give it a bogey and a polish and it still comes up pretty good too. The only thing that we have had trouble with is the electric windows are getting a bit shakey - so we don't put the windows down - ever! With the dust out here your better off with them up and the AC on anyway. Also they are not over electroniced like the new ones. Look after it and it will keep you out of trouble too cruiser 3! Cheers Toni
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Reply By: daveB66 - Tuesday, Apr 02, 2013 at 15:24

Tuesday, Apr 02, 2013 at 15:24
got 550,000 on my 98 80 series engine still runs like a sewing machine,just keep changing that oil at 5000ks
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Follow Up By: cruiser 3 - Tuesday, Apr 02, 2013 at 17:35

Tuesday, Apr 02, 2013 at 17:35
Gee that's good info. Is it diesel or petrol?
What items have you had to replace apart from normal service items like brake pads hoses and belts?
Thanks
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