Fuel filter issue... again
Submitted: Friday, May 03, 2013 at 20:18
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Member - VickiW
So I had the fuel filter light come on not many months ago & the filter had to be replaced. I always planned to get another filter installed before the next trip, but it happened again this week, with a full tank of fuel, so the car is booked in for the in line filter once it's back from the dealer.
Does anyone other than me feel that, because this issue is happening with the common rail diesels, it is perhaps a design shortcoming and the vehicles are not designed to handle the variety in locally available fuel?
I don't know what the frequency of incidents is, but the local dealer (Toyota) did say they were getting a few.
Reply By: Ross M - Friday, May 03, 2013 at 22:41
Friday, May 03, 2013 at 22:41
VickiW
You didn't say what caused the filter light to come on. So replies are not focussed on the issue. Water or particulate contamination? Whoever changed the filter should be able to tell you.
If it is as a result of particulate matter then it may block and the restriction sensor will turn on a light and warn you.
If it is water, that too will turn on a light and warn you but it is for a different reason.
You also didn't mention how many km the vehicle has done in those months and so it may be only a few liters passed through or many hundreds or even thousands of litres.
Filters have a contamination level life, and or should be changed at least every 24 months before the filter medium begins to break down and it hen becomes the problem.
Only you know this and it has a direct bearing on when a filter might be reasonably expected to be near the end of it's service interval/life. One of your diesels might be filtering 10 times the amount the other had filtered. we comment on what is considered normal.
Common rail diesels have filters around 11 microns or smaller usually about 5 microns whereas the previous non CRD engines had OE filters about 30 microns and so didn't block as readily, and lots of stuff went through if there.
Because of finer tolerances in the CRD injection systems so are the filters. Therefore the same stuff will block it more frequent;ly, just a fact of diesel life.
Poor storage and supply and living in hotter humid climate will usually accelerate the production of nasties.
You might leave that vehicle, empty after a run and so it will have many times the colder night moisture condensate developing in the tank, this builds up and the filter tells you it is there. Filled before night time might reduce the water condensate by 99%.
Fuel outlets can be suspect as everyone knows but we can do our bit too.
When your last filter was changed because of the warning light, did you actually see the filter being changed or was it just drained and you think it was changed? Big difference there.
Many dealer serviced Toyota's don't have the filter changed until it gives a warning, just great when out in
the desert and the filter decides to not play ball.
Ross M
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Follow Up By: Member - VickiW - Saturday, May 04, 2013 at 00:11
Saturday, May 04, 2013 at 00:11
It was changed last time due to particulates. Don't yet know this time as I haven't gone to pick up the car.
About 800 - 1000 ltrs would have gone through since the last problem so definitely a problem and not filter life. They did say it could happen again as they didn't drain the fuel tank last time.
I am just glad (relatively) it happened on my way to work & not on a trip.
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Follow Up By: Ross M - Saturday, May 04, 2013 at 01:43
Saturday, May 04, 2013 at 01:43
VickiW
I would try parking/jacking up the vehicle with with one corner of the tank as the lowest point.
With some high pressure nylon tube, like airline tubing, I would use an electric pump to suck from that low point where the crap will have gathered.
Filter it as it comes out and return fuel to tank and do it again.
This should get rid of almost all of the contaminants and only leave slight residue which wouldn't worry any filter in the future.
I use the fuel pump off/from a dead crummydoor for this. In unpressured flow it shifts fuel reasonably quickly.
A lot less trouble than removing the tank as some people seem to want to do.
PS only sucking out through the normal delivery pipe still uses the same stainer which isn't at the bottom. No good there.
Ross M
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Follow Up By: member - mazcan - Saturday, May 04, 2013 at 14:45
Saturday, May 04, 2013 at 14:45
hi Vicki
one thing that cant be guaranteed after replacing the filter is the fact that you could then be unlucky enough buy another contaminated tank of fuel in a weeks time or a month or two
even if you went to a different fuel outlets
we all face the same dilema on a daily basis just because you have read on a post in this
forum about others getting dirty fuel is irrelevant as not everyone would tell you and/or comes on here
we know the service intervals are quoted in the vehicle schedules for filters but that based on clean fuel
just because you replace the filter there isn't any set number of km's that the new filter will do because it's all subject to what goes into your fuel tank and it is totally dependant on how clean the ensuring tanks of fuel are from any outlets
that's why you should carry spare filters and learn how to change them
its not rocket science and could save you a lot of inconvenience
cheers
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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Saturday, May 04, 2013 at 07:04
Saturday, May 04, 2013 at 07:04
Vicky,
I have a 200 with the same engine, and the fuel light has gone on twice in 110,000km, Both times were about 30km after filling up, and once I filled up and was pretty sure it would light up due to the sus servo, which it did.
In my case it was water in one case and build up in the other.
It is a very easy procedure to change the filter and reset the light. Water in the fuel is no good for any diesel. Carry a spare filter and go to LCOOL.org for the instructions. Both times I had the light, I changed the filter and was back on the road in 15 mins.
Give me a warning light over a damaged engine any day. Yes CRD is more sensitive, but so is the warning light to protect it.
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Follow Up By: Member - VickiW - Saturday, May 04, 2013 at 17:46
Saturday, May 04, 2013 at 17:46
Thanks Boobook, a great, common sense recommendation, I carry a spare but do need to find out how to replace it.
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Reply By: tonysmc - Sunday, May 05, 2013 at 13:11
Sunday, May 05, 2013 at 13:11
I have just been through the second filter quandary and what I have been led to believe is that if you fit an aftermarket filter after(downstream of) the original filter it will void any vehicle manufacturer warranty. Fitting before the original filter is ok.
If your vehicle is a little older and out of any warranty then it doesn’t really matter. It also became apparent that all manufacturers always blamed dirty fuel so claimed it was not their responsibility and you would have to chase the fuel company, which was not always successful.
If you fit downstream of original, normally a 2 micron filter is fitted. If upstream 30 micron is normally fitted or you can order a 10 micron, however the flow direction through the filter of the 10 should be in the opposite direction than the 30.
Many people will claim that a second filter will restrict fuel flow but this is a fallacy.
The kit mentioned above does not come with a water alarm and I would strongly suggest buying the water alarm attachment as nobody is going to stop and
check the water bowl 5, 10, 15 km’s after filling up, as this is when most damage seems to happen. The water alarm for these units are only a light, so you need wire in a loud piezo buzzer.
I would be inclined to email, not phone, questions to supplier’s or installers as if something goes wrong they will certainly say “I would have never said that!” An email you will have it in writing.
I’m happy to let you know more about my installation and why I decided on it if you like.
Cheers tony
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