Capstain wheel winches

Submitted: Thursday, Apr 25, 2002 at 00:00
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I am just curious if anyone has seen wheel winches in use,anywhere at all.I am running a set that i designed 2 years ago.I tried to find out if anyone has seen similar device but no luck.I do have a warn 9000 winch but this device is beating it hands down.As i am writing an article about this winching device i can appreciate any comments from you.Don't want to be sued by potential patent holder...:-).In short ,two reels are bolted to the wheels and you using vehicle drive train with two achors and two winch extension straps to get your self uot of the bog.It may sound silly but the device is unbeleivably efective.
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Reply By: Michelle - ExplorOz - Thursday, Apr 25, 2002 at 00:00

Thursday, Apr 25, 2002 at 00:00
Is this article you are writing something that we could publish on ExplorOz? Talk to me.
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Follow Up By: Goran - Thursday, Apr 25, 2002 at 00:00

Thursday, Apr 25, 2002 at 00:00
Hi Michelle. Yes ,once i finish the article you can have it for your site, if you like it.I had finished actual writing a month ago and now just looking for a good opportunity to get out and take some transarency photos.
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Follow Up By: Goran - Thursday, Apr 25, 2002 at 00:00

Thursday, Apr 25, 2002 at 00:00
Hi Michelle. Yes ,once i finish the article you can have it for your site, if you like it.I had finished actual writing a month ago and now just looking for a good opportunity to get out and take some transarency photos.By the way have you ever been on the Callawa track? It runs from Kidson track to abandoned Callawa homestead.Out of this world.Have a look at the HEMA Desert track North West sheat.
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Reply By: Maurie - Thursday, Apr 25, 2002 at 00:00

Thursday, Apr 25, 2002 at 00:00
Yes I know someone who made a set about 20yrs ago and adapts them to fit his current vehicle. I was considering building a set myself but I was worried about weather it could do any harm to independent suspension. I have only seen them used on vehicles with live axles. It is not necessary to have two anchor points as with a set of rollers on the front bumper one rope can be used from one drum throgh the rollers to the anchor point then back through the other rollers to the other drum. Very effective and cheap.
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Follow Up By: Guy North - Friday, Apr 26, 2002 at 00:00

Friday, Apr 26, 2002 at 00:00
Can you send me a photo or a sketch of what it looks like, including the way the cables go through.
What about if chains are used instead of cables?.
My email is aufempen@yahoo.com Guy
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Reply By: David - Thursday, Apr 25, 2002 at 00:00

Thursday, Apr 25, 2002 at 00:00
Goran, the Army where trialing the same type of system back in the 70's, but abandoned the project as it was to time consuminig as well as causing premature failure of the wheel bearings, cv joints and causing damage to the steering arms & drag links due to the stress placed on the front wheels, i did also see in an early 90's addition of overlander magazine someone marketing this exact same system, it consisted of two capstan hubs that you bolted to your front or back wheels, a steel wire rope that you joined each end to the hubs & a snatch block, i think by memory it sold for around $300 or $400, but i don't think it took off, a tirfor was more practical.
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Follow Up By: Goran - Thursday, Apr 25, 2002 at 00:00

Thursday, Apr 25, 2002 at 00:00
David,i am running my set mainly from the rear wheels.I found winch extension straps to be lot better for winching with this device.In over 100 exctractions i have done with this device(mud,sand)i never experienced the problem.Just repacked the bearings last month.In my experience this device beats any hand winch or electric for that matter, as it can be utilised for wiching in forward or bacward.Takes about 10min. to set up(can be attached permanently for heavy off road work),and can cost next to nothing to make.
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Reply By: Ray - Thursday, Apr 25, 2002 at 00:00

Thursday, Apr 25, 2002 at 00:00
A bit of history for Exploroz team. The series 2 Landrovers (1960's)had an optional capstan winch fitted at the front of the vehicle, ran of the crank handle insert on the front of the engine. Could be powered either by the engine, or if engine failed a shorter crank handle was supplied to power the winch. The unit was very effective
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Reply By: Guy North - Thursday, Apr 25, 2002 at 00:00

Thursday, Apr 25, 2002 at 00:00
Can anyone post a photo of this amazing device.
I would like to have one now.
I can NOT really vizualize what it looks like.
I do usually about 20000kms in grade 3 to 4 4WDrive in outback Australia and
I ceratinly do not like elctric winches.
my email is aufempen@yahoo.com
Guy
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Follow Up By: Goran - Thursday, Apr 25, 2002 at 00:00

Thursday, Apr 25, 2002 at 00:00
Guy, you can not buy this anywhere.I designed and build mine on my own.Don't have any photos just yet but i will soon.I will try to have an article and photos published if possible,as an alternative winching metod.When i do get the photos made(in action)i will find you here.Just do a search on Wheel Winches.
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Follow Up By: Michelle - Exploroz - Tuesday, Apr 30, 2002 at 00:00

Tuesday, Apr 30, 2002 at 00:00
When Goran gets me the photos I'll publish it on ExplorOz so we can all have a look at what he's done. By the way, anyone can send me info and photos of their DIY ideas for publication. We may as well all share our brilliant ideas!
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Reply By: Steve - Friday, Apr 26, 2002 at 00:00

Friday, Apr 26, 2002 at 00:00
One of the reasons that landrover stopped making capstan winches was the number of injuries caused with them. You've got to get much more "personal" with a capstan. I believe the army came to the same conclusion. However. their extraction ability is amazing.
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Follow Up By: Guy North - Friday, Apr 26, 2002 at 00:00

Friday, Apr 26, 2002 at 00:00
Can you send me a photo or a sketch of what it looks like, including the way the cables go through.
What about if chains are used instead of cables?.
My email is aufempen@yahoo.com Guy
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Follow Up By: Steve - Friday, Apr 26, 2002 at 00:00

Friday, Apr 26, 2002 at 00:00
Guy, Just imagine the wheel on the ground with the split rim up. The have the chain or webbing form a cross. They go right round the tyre. I use two of those ratchet tie down thing you can buy at k-mart. Put one right round the wheel and tyre and tighten, then do the same with the other at 90 degrees. They are also good for reseating a bead on a normal rim...put one around the tread of the tyre and tighten. Works great
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Reply By: Steve - Friday, Apr 26, 2002 at 00:00

Friday, Apr 26, 2002 at 00:00
That probably makes no sence to anyone, as I was answering another post....oooooooppppppppssssss.

I'll see what I can get in the way of photos.
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Reply By: Graham - Sunday, Apr 28, 2002 at 00:00

Sunday, Apr 28, 2002 at 00:00
We have used a captsan winch on a cruiser powered by the the PTO to haul in underground cables. EXTREMELY effective
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Reply By: Allan - Sunday, Apr 28, 2002 at 00:00

Sunday, Apr 28, 2002 at 00:00
Goran. I have used a wheel winch in a light truck application with dual wheels and it worked fine but it eventully collapsed the spacer. I considered building one for my current 4WD but could not find a simple way of fitting without potentially damaging/ marking my mags. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Follow Up By: Guy North - Tuesday, Apr 30, 2002 at 00:00

Tuesday, Apr 30, 2002 at 00:00
If this is for the type of Mag which is silver or gold platted. :-)
For them use the thick part of tractor tubes
Guy
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Reply By: Ged - Tuesday, Apr 30, 2002 at 00:00

Tuesday, Apr 30, 2002 at 00:00
I have made a few sets of "wheel winches" for MQ Patrol, Hilux, 80 Series & my current vehicle, a '93 Disco. (See reply from Maurie above). Each drum consists of a piece of 6" pipe, with a 6mm flange at the wheel rim end & a 3mm flange at outside end. To attach, remove 3 wheelnuts & bolt drum on with these. Rope guides consist of 4x25mm rollers in a frame which bolts to steel bullbar (one frame each end of bar). The winch drums have 2x25mm holes drilled in outer 3mm flange, to take rope, no knots required. I use 16mm sailtech poly rope, easy to handle & lightweight, breaking strain 4000lb. I use 1 length of rope, 35 metres, through a snatch block at the tree. I made the snatchblock, as the commercial ones have too narrow a groove. This setup has never failed, is light, set up in 10 mins, no maintenance, unlimited torque. Can also pull from the rear, or at 90degrees. I use on front or rear wheels, depending on situation. The strain on steering gear would be nothing compared to, for example, hitting a pothole at 100km/hr, bearing in mind that the rope is only 100 mm from the axle. I have used this setup since '81, & the last occasion was in 2001, pulling Disco & Phoenix caravan (total 5 tonne!) from mudhole in Gulf. 6hrs, 16 different trees, no hot electric motors! (After which my wife & I headed for the Normanton Pub!) Dissadvantages: Not as trendy as a winch ; Take care to stop as soon as traction is gained, as the rope is easily overun. Note: with a difflock, if you're short of rope, 1 drum is OK. Cheers!
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Follow Up By: Goran - Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 00:00

Thursday, May 02, 2002 at 00:00
Ged, what do you use when there isn't any trees around?
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Reply By: Ged - Friday, May 03, 2002 at 00:00

Friday, May 03, 2002 at 00:00
Goran
We've been lucky, there's always been a tree or 2, or another vehicle. I always carry 2 snatchblocks, in case 2 trees gives a better direction. If I had to, I'd bury the spare, or a log. There's always a way out. Regards Ged.
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Follow Up By: Goran - Friday, May 03, 2002 at 00:00

Friday, May 03, 2002 at 00:00
Ged , i use specialy designed and reinforced pickets , one per wheel.
Found them better than anything else.....even in soft sand.
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