Hi-Flow Diesel and 4WD's

Submitted: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 00:09
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Gday All,
Just a quick question regarding hi-flow diesel pumps and whether or not it is damaging to use this pump on a 4WD? If-so, whats the story with them?
Thanks for any help I can get.
Cheers,
Benno
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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 00:37

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 00:37
I use them all the time, no issues at all.

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Reply By: Member - John - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 05:30

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 05:30
Presume you mean the hi flow pumps at servos? If you do, no problem at all, most still have the auto mechanism intact, makes filling a long range tank easy. Cheers.
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 07:19

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 07:19
My Colorado doesn't like them. It likes to drink slowly and savour the flavour.

Possibly the diameter or shape of the filler neck, but it just tries to gush out unless the handle is only part open, which defeats the purpose of the high flow pump.

Anyway I am a patient man (sometimes) and the Colorado only takes a moderate amount to fill the tank.

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Follow Up By: Member - Russler - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 18:15

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 18:15
I have the same problem with the sub tank on the Patrol, but it's ok on the main. So we usually fill up from a standard pump, but that's the only reason. The fuel is the same.
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Follow Up By: gbc - Wednesday, May 22, 2013 at 06:11

Wednesday, May 22, 2013 at 06:11
You've got to hold your tongue to the left with the colorado, and pull the nozzle half out and rotate a bit off centre. Even then they don't 'love' it. The fuel backs up in the filler line a bit eh :(
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Reply By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 08:41

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 08:41
They are a tight fit for our 100 series and make mostly foam. We don't use them.

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Follow Up By: TTTSA - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 08:51

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 08:51
Hi Phil
Toyota had a recall years ago and they changed the filler neck to allow use of the highflow bowsers. Maybe yours wasn't retro fitted.

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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 08:56

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 08:56
Got any more info?

I will check it out but I have asked about recalls and all saymine is not affected.

It's not a real issue as we are not usually in a hurry but it would be nice to have the option. Have come across pumps where the slow flow has been out of service. 215 litres is a while to wait for the slow pumps.

Thanks
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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 15:13

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 15:13
Peter

Searched all over the place with all kinds of text strings. None. Nothing from my post on lcool.com as yet. Service manager here, I know him well, said he hasn't heard of one. And his mates have 100s and same problem. But I will keep the ears open. Maybe it was an after marked modification!

Thanks

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Follow Up By: Bruce-n-Bundi - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 15:38

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 15:38
No problems here with our 100 series.
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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 16:11

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 16:11
What year is it. Ours is a 2005 GXL. Not all are affected.

Phil
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Follow Up By: Bruce-n-Bundi - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 18:15

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 18:15
2002 Advantage.

Got real problems Phil when the ol' nozzle has a foaming problem!!
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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 18:25

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 18:25
Well maybe yours has been updated.

But it's no big issue really to us.

Phil
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Follow Up By: TTTSA - Wednesday, May 22, 2013 at 06:00

Wednesday, May 22, 2013 at 06:00
Sorry Phil, I forgot to look when I got home yesterday. It was a genuine Toyota recall though. Mine is a 2002 Update HZJ105. And correct, not all models were affected. I didn't have any probs before the recall but I had it done anyway as it was offered to me. Probably in about 2003.

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Follow Up By: gbc - Wednesday, May 22, 2013 at 06:13

Wednesday, May 22, 2013 at 06:13
BP ultimate has an anti foam additive and will work on hiflow. I have the same issue with the colorado and standard diesel.
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Reply By: Penchy - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 08:42

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 08:42
What damage would you be expecting from them? I'm pretty sure they are there more for LR and maybe some HR trucks with bigger tanks so the guys aren't standing there for half an hour filling up.
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Reply By: Echucan Bob - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 09:09

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 09:09
Fits Disco OK but not X5. Some towns don't have "car" nozzle at all (eg Urana) which adds to trip planning.

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Reply By: Shaker - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 09:30

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 09:30
Some of the bigger "service" stations here in Victoria have Trucks Only signs up on the high flow lanes, needless to say, I no longer patronise them so I fill my 180 litres elsewhere.
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Reply By: disco driver - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 10:33

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 10:33
Benno,
There's one way to find if your vehicle can take a hiflo pump, stick the nozzle into your tank filler and pull the trigger If you don't get a shower of diesel it's ok to use the hiflo pump.

Cheers

Disco.
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Follow Up By: Penchy - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 16:33

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 16:33
I suppose that would damage your chinos
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Reply By: Member - Arsenal Phill - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 10:39

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 10:39
No issues with my 200. I actually avoid normal size bowser's in I can as they take flaming ages to fill up!!! I've actually boycotted the local Peak station I used to use as they have started a policy of trucks only at the hi-flow bowsers. Apparently truckies have been complaining that 4WD's take to long and hold them up!!! What a joke. Surely sitting behind a 4WD would be quicker than behind another truck??? I'd been in situations where the 4 hi-flows were empty and I'd be waiting by the car bowsers for ages. On questioning their policy they refused to budge so now I go to the local Shell Station instead.
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Follow Up By: Patrol22 - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 12:45

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 12:45
I've taken to ignoring these signs especially when there are 4-6 hi flow pumps idle and the sole lo-flow pump has a queue at it. If they ignore me and don't turn the pump on I just sit there until they do.......hey every day is Sunday for me so I'm never in a rush to move on :-). Bloody stupid policy if you ask me especially noting that most of the 4WD community take on >100 ltrs each fill.
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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 14:58

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 14:58
There is nothing worse than sitting behind a 4wd trying to put 60 or 70 lts in a tank that keeps cutting out every 3 or 4 lts because the pumps to quick.
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Follow Up By: Patrol22 - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 15:38

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 15:38
I probably should've said that I have an aftermarket LRA 150ltr tank fitted to my Navara ute and have installed a good breather up in the engine bay in addition to the breather that feeds back to the top of the filler. This works well to prevent the stop/start thingy that is a plague with most OEM configurations.
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Follow Up By: Nutta - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 19:36

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 19:36
My 03 gu used to fill no probs with the hi flow, just had to hold it a touch under full flow and it filled in no time.
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Reply By: cookie1 - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 10:58

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 10:58
I had a discussion with a servo operator once who blanket refused to let me use the high flow as he said "you 4wd'ers make too much mess using the pumps so you have to use the standard pump" I promptly drove off and he lost about 250L of fuel (I carry 273L)

he doesn't work there anymore so go there again - without making a mess

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Follow Up By: Member - Sn00py2 (NSW) - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 11:57

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 11:57
I have never found the normal flow pumps to be messy but I can say that the majority of times that I use the Hi-Flow pumps they are greasy. I always use a pair of disposable latex gloves when using the Hi Flow pumps.

I very much doubt that the greasy Hi Flow pumps are caused by 4WD's.

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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew & Jen - Wednesday, May 22, 2013 at 00:07

Wednesday, May 22, 2013 at 00:07
SnOOpy2

The imagine that the mess the servo operator was referring to is the diesel on the ground due to multiple blow backs as the 4WD guy tries to get some fuel in through a filler that is patently inadequate. Not the greasy pump handle :-)

The "blanket ban" is because the majority of 4WDs can not handle high flow rates. How could a servo operator identify which ones - the minority - that can handle it?

If the ban upsets some people and they choose to go elsewhere, so be it. The big servos catering for high volumes (10s of '000s) of diesel they sell to trucks would prefer to have the reputation of exclusive truck bays and miss out on the small volume they might sell to 4WDs that choose boycott them rather than take a few minutes extra filling up at the standard flow pumps.

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Reply By: Member - Scott M (NSW) - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 11:59

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 11:59
I have problems with them. My primary tank on the 40 can take a high flow, albeit with a bit of blow-back, however my secondary 110 liter slave tank has immediate blow-back and causes the pump cut-off to activate immediately. The only way I can use a high flow is to try and hold the lever 1/3 open - a major PITA to hold the lever half open for 10 mins....

Basically, if I can't see a low flow ... I drive on.
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 12:37

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 12:37
The best thing invented for re-filling a 200 series Turbo Diesel you can pump in 130 litres in minutes or under what it takes to fill a 65 litre petrol car.
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Follow Up By: cookie1 - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 14:21

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 14:21
Have to agree wholeheartedly - I have upped my capacity to 273L so you really notice the difference, I can almost be done same time as a car filling up

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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 14:30

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 14:30
Wow 273 Litres that's impressive. How long between fills do you average..?
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Follow Up By: cookie1 - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 14:36

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 14:36
Roughly about 1500km but I never let it get down that far if I can help it, although we did creep into Alice Springs from Billiuna after the Canning on an oily rag :)

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Reply By: SDG - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 15:40

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 15:40
On my recent trip I used the High Flow as often as I could.
One thing I noticed, which was mentioned here a few months back.
Some places have a cheaper price for High flow, than Low Flow.
usually only a couple of cents, but one place in Queensland (for the life of me I can't remember which town) was actually 10cents cheaper.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony H (touring oz) - Wednesday, May 22, 2013 at 13:22

Wednesday, May 22, 2013 at 13:22
Possibly the high flow 'truck diesel' was an ethanol blend (Caltex) which is a few cents cheaper?
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Reply By: Rockape - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 15:46

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 15:46
Benno,
I wasn't going to answer this thread but it has strayed a bit on why servos ban 4wds from the quick fill pumps.

To start with the hi-flow won't hurt anything if you use it but as said you may or may not get a nasty surprise when you get blow back because the breather and piping can't cope.

THe hi-flow pumps were only ever meant for trucks because of the tank capacities. Now Fred, George and Harry line up in front of a truck or three. Fred fills but the missus wants some bread and a few lollies for the kids so more time is lost as Fred finally comes back and shifts his vehicle. So it goes on until the first truck finally gets to fill. Remember if the wheels aren't turning he isn't making money.

Now the truck stop servos would rather have a happy customer taking on 1000 litres, than him waiting for another another customer taking on 100 litres.

Maybe all transport should go to the Banlaw quick fills and that will stop the problem immediately. Now boy can they fill a tank quickly. They come in sizes that will flow from around 40 to 1000 litres/minute. Small ones flow around 300 litres/minute.



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Follow Up By: Member - Scott M (NSW) - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 16:56

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 16:56
Rockape, you've probably hit the nail on the head.

Apart from the fact I can't use Hi-flow due to my second tank, generally put my 170 litres in doesn't take that long, and I'm generally out before the queue finishes for the hi-flow pump .........

but what would I know.... ;-)
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Follow Up By: Bruce-n-Bundi - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 18:12

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 18:12
Our local Woolies servo in Childers has two HiFlow pumps on the back pumps. I have to have two goes at getting my 22' Table top in to fill up, so there is no hope of getting a decent size truck in there.

When the tanker delivers fuel it's a major task backing in off the Bruce Highway.
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 18:32

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 18:32
Bruce n,
we have the same here and all of the light trucks fill at it. It has always been there but they have added bowsers for light vehicles. Do you have this facility also.
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Reply By: Penchy - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 16:39

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 16:39
If we are going to move off topic a bit then lets go a bit further. We all know there is a discrepancy when it comes to indicated fuel pumped, and whats actually gone in the tank. Surely there would be a larger variance with Hi Flow as more fuel is being passed at a faster rate. Or I could be wrong.....
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Reply By: phil300 - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 18:22

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 18:22
Use the Hi-flow if the van is on the back 14.5m all up is always easier to get in and out of servo.
Nissan D40 will take it at full flow.

cheers Phil.
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Reply By: SDG - Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 21:03

Tuesday, May 21, 2013 at 21:03
Common sence would come in handy here again.
If there are trucks around, especially if waiting in line, don't use them. If it is quiet and your about the only one there, why not?
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